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JMSqb11 said:
What happened to BK forced him up on the lift argument? Why are you changing or moving the goal posts? Why do I have do defend a new argument or stance simply because you can’t defend yours?

Are you now saying that the Kelly didn’t indeed take away the student’s freedom to choose / consent in the ordeal?


No one is gonna flog you for changing your position….. i know we live in that day and age.
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It’s really not that hard to understand. Kelly pressured the kid to get on the lift. Disregarded the safety of the kid just to get some practice film. At the very least, it’s horribly irresponsible.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Well that is certainly your choice to make.
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your not asking me to quit my job,, your not asking to quit putting food in my kids mouth, but you did not order me to also ,, I dont work for you,, if i did I would be forced to agree with your belief no matter if it was right or wrong.. so I can pay my bills
 
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AthensVol2007 said:
I have your read poor take on this subject multiple times on this board. Everyone knows if the kid refused an order from the HC of Norte Dame he’s fired. So yes he had a choice to make; risk his safety or continue to hold a job that he hoped to pursue further. Some choice.
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Add to that, there is no chance that the ND administration is going to blame its head football coach for anything. They found any way they could to look the other way. Again Kelly had the chance to do the right thing and didn’t. Could have told the kid not to go up because of the wind. At the end of the day, Kelly was at fault and he deserves the criticism.
 
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RockyTop140 said:
It’s really not that hard to understand. Kelly pressured the kid to get on the lift. Disregarded the safety of the kid just to get some practice film. At the very least, it’s horribly irresponsible.
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I agree with this. I just don’t agree with the people out there saying every year “Brian Kelly murdered a student”……

But there is a clear difference in saying he deserves some blame vs saying he’s solely responsible or saying he murdered a college student.
 
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Old Spice said:
your not asking me to quit my job,, your not asking to quit putting food in my kids mouth, but you did not order me to also ,, I dont work for you,, if i did I would be forced to agree with your belief no matter if it was right or wrong.. so I can pay my bills
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That is your choice to make.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
What happened to BK forced him up on the lift argument? Why are you changing or moving the goal posts? Why do I have do defend a new argument or stance simply because you can’t defend yours?

Are you now saying that the Kelly didn’t indeed take away the student’s freedom to choose / consent in the ordeal?


No one is gonna flog you for changing your position….. i know we live in that day and age.
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Wow...

Here we go again....

Brian Kelly forced a student to ride a scissor lift to film the practice under threat of ruin of life. Yes? No? (It's the former, btw)

Said scissor lift in wind is "unsafe at any speed" (I'm a safety guy and hate those things.....)

Student dies....

Brian Kelly says "Oh Well.... no biggie, right?"
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I agree with this. I just don’t agree with the people out there saying every year “Brian Kelly murdered a student”……

But there is a clear difference in saying he deserves some blame vs saying he’s solely responsible or saying he murdered a college student.
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I don't think anyone said he "murdered" a student. But he was directly responsible for that student's death.

Its a testament to just how corrupt things are that no one was charged with anything. Not even negligence.
 
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GhostVol said:
Wow...

Here we go again....

Brian Kelly forced a student to ride a scissor lift to film the practice under threat of ruin of life. Yes? No? (It's the former, btw)

Said scissor lift in wind is "unsafe at any speed" (I'm a safety guy and hate those things.....)

Student dies....

Brian Kelly says "Oh Well.... no biggie, right?"
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Did the student choose to go on the lift yes or no? It’s the former btw.
 
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Shocker0 said:
Did anyone catch what happened to LSUs QB or if it looked bad? Was watching the UGA/MIZ game
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They said he banged knee with an opposing player’s knee. He was trying to get flexibility by riding bike on sideline but was still limping. Once we was taken out, he didn’t return.
 
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Nerwen Aldarion said:
I don't think anyone said he "murdered" a student. But he was directly responsible for that student's death.

Its a testament to just how corrupt things are that no one was charged with anything. Not even negligence.
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I’m not saying you have that stance but literally every year, the “BK murdered a kid” takes to wild once football season gets going which fires up people. There are people who then push these “stances” solely due to sports fandom and nothing actually objectively.

Yes you are correct about negligence and all that. What is also wild is just even having a conversation or even debate on thing is automatically met with toxicity because you wish to objectively look at things.

At the end of the day BK, does shoulder some blame for the accident. But the idiots clamoring he murdered someone, they are truly moronic.
 
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Delmar said:
Add to that, there is no chance that the ND administration is going to blame its head football coach for anything. They found any way they could to look the other way. Again Kelly had the chance to do the right thing and didn’t. Could have told the kid not to go up because of the wind. At the end of the day, Kelly was at fault and he deserves the criticism.
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I am late to this argument. Is the argument that Kelly is guilty of a crime or that ND is civilly liable? The former seems unlikely, but the latter seems unquestionable.
 
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VAVol85 said:
I am late to this argument. Is the argument that Kelly is guilty of a crime or that ND is civilly liable? The former seems unlikely, but the latter seems unquestionable.
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A lot of this bunch believes Kelly murdered a college student. I apparently have the unpopular opinion that he didn’t.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Did the student choose to go on the lift yes or no? It’s the former btw.
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your eyes.. its the letter of the law? is it wording you follow?.. you ever been in a scissor lift before? if so explain because I have been in several ..sometimes with another person with me. so lets here your take
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Did the student choose to go on the lift yes or no? It’s the former btw.
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Alrighty, then....

For the last time....

When your boss says "do this" you either do it or forfeit your job

That guy, "did this" (climbed a scissor lift) rather than forfeit his job and it cost him his life

Is that something you're OK with?

If you're OK with that, that's fine...... (it's not btw)

But if you want to make that argument..... Ai'ght.... (cornbread likes)
 
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JMSqb11 said:
A lot of this bunch believes Kelly murdered a college student. I apparently have the unpopular opinion that he didn’t.
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And you talk about reading comprehension. No one has said he murdered him. You admit he was in part responsible/complicit in the death; that’s literally what everyone else argues.
 
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