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05_never_again said:
Mullen has done more with less to a greater extent that Houston Nutt ever did. Winning 9 or 10 games at Mississippi St is the equivalent of winning a national title at a bigger school, and the 7-8 win seasons are the equivalent of going to a New Year's Six bowl game. The 6-win seasons are like 8 or 9 win seasons at a bigger school. It's not like he can just piddle around there and win 7 games. He has to coach his ass off to get 7 regular season wins or more, IMO. If he piddles around, they win about 3-4 games per year and is fired.

If Mullen was able to be as successful at say, Auburn as he was at Miss St, he'd win multiple national titles at Auburn. And Auburn would probably come close to doubling his salary if he could do that. I do question whether or not he'd be able to transfer that success, perhaps he does too, and when you're making almost $5m in your current job why risk it?
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Well, its all debatable its not a fact, but as you mentioned, when he is already rather well paid... .its not like you are getting a bargain for the risk. The school would be taking on a considerable risk... I think that is why I go back to... there isn't anything easy about this.

I think the LSU situation last year was a prime example.... we're not talking $10s of millions we are talking potentially $100m+.... certainly one that could look bad for the school in that this is crazy money, especially if it backfires.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Well, its all debatable its not a fact, but as you mentioned, when he is already rather well paid... .its not like you are getting a bargain for the risk. The school would be taking on a considerable risk... I think that is why I go back to... there isn't anything easy about this.

I think the LSU situation last year was a prime example.... we're not talking $10s of millions we are talking potentially $100m+.... certainly one that could look bad for the school in that this is crazy money, especially if it backfires.
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Agreed, nothing easy about it. Mullen is a rare breed among college coaches in that I think he's a great Xs and Os coach/talent developer but I'm not sure about his recruiting. I think the reason he doesn't have 4 and 5-star guys at Miss St is because they don't want to go there and Mullen doesn't even bother going after them, but I can't really prove that, and that makes him a risk. I think he'd rather spend more time getting into more detail recruiting guys he has a shot at than spending time on a lot of 4 and 5-star guys who likely will ultimately go elsewhere.

However, it is entirely possible he isn't a great recruiter, which would make him a poor fit at a bigger school. If he went to A&M, Tennessee, LSU, or any bigger school and recruited 3-star guys, he'd probably win 7-9 games a year and be run off after a few years. I actually say that as a compliment to him, because if Butch didn't recruit well he couldn't coach his teams up to win as many games as Mullen could. He'd win about 4-5 games/year. To compete for the titles those schools want, you have to recruit 4 and 5-star guys and get the most out of them; you can't do it with 3-star guys.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Most overused statement of all time. Mississippi usually has the 2nd or 3rd most NFL players per capita. Mullen lost to... South Alabama, BYU, and Kentucky last year while going 6-7. He has been basically last overall in the SECW during his time at MSU, as a whole. He is not known to be a great recruiter. He is considered to be a solid coach but with the NCAA in town, yet again... not sure he doesn't have issues going forward as well. His team this year should be decent, they kicked LSU's butt for sure but all this coming to Jesus stuff is kind of funny.

Now considering he making close to $5m and he doesn't have to win to keep on getting raises and extension, exactly why would he even think about leaving?
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It's Miss St., dude. Just because they have talent per capita doesn't give him any sort of advantage. It's not a huge state and they share it and contend with Ole Miss and the elite programs in the SEC west for that talent.

I think you need to judge a coach vs the school's tradition. I think Miss St may have only gone to the SECCG one time.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Not all. His team did very well. He is a solid coach... not worth $100m, which is probably the ball park figure, and that is not considering Butch's buyout.

He's a solid coach, not a good recruiter. I mean, why would he leave MSU? He makes top 10 money in all of the NCAA, but he losses, he just got an extension on a losing season. LOL
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I'm just messing with ya, UT fans can't talk about being salty seriously. lol. I do agree he may not want to leave MSU making that kind of money. But I'll have to disagree and say he's a great coach and a decent recruiter. Still will always think it's hard to make kids want to play in Starkville.
 
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If you're a stud, with offers from LSU, Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Texas A&M, Mississippi state......

Why would you pick Mississippi state? It's a backwater school. The location sucks. Facilities suck. History sucks. In an extremely difficult division.

It's the school that the SEC forgot.

Some times you really can max out the potential of a school. I think that's where Mississippi state is right now. They are maxed out.

Look at South Carolina. They had Lou Holtz and Steve Spurrier and the best they could ever do it 11-2. 1 east division championship. That's it. All that coaching power and effort, financial expenditure and three 11 win seasons was their max.

Just how she goes sometimes.

As far as recruiting goes, you just need an average recruiter at Tennessee. The school recruits itself to a large degree. It's a historic power. Has a nice budget. Great stadium. Two great rival games yearly. Rabid fanbase. Location is nice. Mullen could mop up recruiting Atlanta and Nashville areas. We would never have to worry about a quartback again lolol. Mullen is hands down the best cfb QB coach in the nation.

Keep Gillespie on staff. He recruits extremely well. Give that dude a raise. He earns it.
 
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Oregon is a prime example of what you can do with the left over 3* players that the other schools looked over out West. They had a long run living off players recruited under the radar. They recruited what fit their system. And they were not 4* and 5*. Very few. A system that spanned 3 coaches. It's what you do with them that counts.
 
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If UT recruits itself them why is our recruiting budget one of the largest in the nation if not THE largest?

Drop into the recruiting forum sometime and check out the recruits threads sometimes. I have never seen where a recruit said they came to TN because we are a traditional power. Most of these kids were in grade school the last time TN was competing for champuinships. The majority don't care what we did 10-15 years ago. The elite kids want to play for a school that can get them to the league and compete for championships. Even Bama doesn't recruit itself. As bad as I hate to admit it Saban is a prime example of a coach with a good system and a tireless recruiter. If you want championships thats what it takes.

I have no idea why everyone is Mullen crazy. Just because he is better than Butch doesn't mean squat. Lots of better game day coaches out there.

But Butch's recruiting is head and shoulders better than Mullen. Yeah I know it's a crap school but great recruiters overcome things like that. He hasn't.
If they can't overcome the recruiting then they had better make it up on the coaching side and, other than a couple of good years, he hasn't done that consistently either.
 
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I love our tradition but when it comes to us recruiting that we are a "traditional power" that means nothing with HS kids these days. Ask 100 HS star football players who are the powerhouse programs and you'll get Bama, Ohio State,Michigan,UGA, Florida,USC and maybe a LSU or even Texas still....We aren't on that list I guarantee you. Doesn't mean we can't recruit with those guys or anyone else because we can with the right staff, it just means using the "we're a traditional power" means nothing to these kids.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
I love our tradition but when it comes to us recruiting that we are a "traditional power" that means nothing with HS kids these days. Ask 100 HS star football players who are the powerhouse programs and you'll get Bama, Ohio State,Michigan,UGA, Florida,USC and maybe a LSU or even Texas still....We aren't on that list I guarantee you. Doesn't mean we can't recruit with those guys or anyone else because we can with the right staff, it just means using the "we're a traditional power" means nothing to these kids.
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If you say "traditional power" to a high school kid, I bet the only schools they'll rattle off are Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson (even though Clemson isn't a traditional power). Michigan, Georgia, Florida, USC, LSU, and Texas have not had national championships that most of these kids remember. They are 17 or 18 years old to begin with and have shorter memories than a housefly. You're right; "traditional power" to them means a team that has been in the national picture consistently for about the last 3-5 years.

What all of those schools you mentioned have though is a brand. Tennessee hasn't had a really good season in a long time, but everybody recognizes that Power T. I wore an orange Tennessee polo around Boston several weeks ago and got several comments about it from the locals. They don't even follow college football that closely up there but they instantly knew the shirt. In that sense, Tennessee is a traditional power.

You don't have to explain to kids that Tennessee has a good football program; they just know. Now, that is no guarantee you'll get the kid, but it is a much easier sell than a school that doesn't have that well-known of a brand.
 
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05_never_again said:
If you say "traditional power" to a high school kid, I bet the only schools they'll rattle off are Alabama, Ohio State, and Clemson (even though Clemson isn't a traditional power). Michigan, Georgia, Florida, USC, LSU, and Texas have not had national championships that most of these kids remember. They are 17 or 18 years old to begin with and have shorter memories than a housefly. You're right; "traditional power" to them means a team that has been in the national picture consistently for about the last 3-5 years.

What all of those schools you mentioned have though is a brand. Tennessee hasn't had a really good season in a long time, but everybody recognizes that Power T. I wore an orange Tennessee polo around Boston several weeks ago and got several comments about it from the locals. They don't even follow college football that closely up there but they instantly knew the shirt. In that sense, Tennessee is a traditional power.

You don't have to explain to kids that Tennessee has a good football program; they just know. Now, that is no guarantee you'll get the kid, but it is a much easier sell than a school that doesn't have that well-known of a brand.
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I agree Tennessee is a well known brand.

But then it gets down to nut cutting time. You have to sell the future possibilities to a recruit. Show those rings and trophies. Sell the coaching staff. Sell your vision.

Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, they don't have to sell nearly as hard because of their recent success.

What can Mullen sell? His 2 weeks at #1? Winning the west?

He would have just as hard of a sell as Butch and if we gamble on him, and his recruiting numbers at Miss St. were a true reflection of how he does recruit..then we are screwed.
 
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buckfama said:
I agree Tennessee is a well known brand.

But then it gets down to nut cutting time. You have to sell the future possibilities to a recruit. Show those rings and trophies. Sell the coaching staff. Sell your vision.

Bama, Clemson, Ohio State, they don't have to sell nearly as hard because of their recent success.

What can Mullen sell? His 2 weeks at #1? Winning the west?

He would have just as hard of a sell as Butch and if we gamble on him, and his recruiting numbers at Miss St. were a true reflection of how he does recruit..then we are screwed.
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Mullen can't sell much of anything in his current job because Mississippi State doesn't really have a brand outside of Starkville. I think it is unknown if he is a good recruiter or not. He wouldn't be able to get top recruits to come to Miss St even if he went after them. That is the risk with Tennessee or any other big brand school hiring him: the unknown.

I think he's more than proven he's a great Xs and Os coach, talent evaluator, and talent developer. But if Tennessee hired him, it turned out he was a mediocre recruiter and he only could pull mostly 3-star guys, he'd max out at 8-9 wins per year just like Butch and be gone within 3 years.
 
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05_never_again said:
Mullen can't sell much of anything in his current job because Mississippi State doesn't really have a brand outside of Starkville. I think it is unknown if he is a good recruiter or not. He wouldn't be able to get top recruits to come to Miss St even if he went after them. That is the risk with Tennessee or any other big brand school hiring him: the unknown.

I think he's more than proven he's a great Xs and Os coach, talent evaluator, and talent developer. But if Tennessee hired him, it turned out he was a mediocre recruiter and he only could pull mostly 3-star guys, he'd max out at 8-9 wins per year just like Butch and be gone within 3 years.
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Exactly. That's why I'm not high on Chip Kelley either.

If UT does go through a coaching search I want the coach that's great at everything, recruiting included.
 
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buckfama said:
Exactly. That's why I'm not high on Chip Kelley either.

If UT does go through a coaching search I want the coach that's great at everything, recruiting included.
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And those people are? I mean with a proven track record of recruiting, coaching, and winning at a high level.
 
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buckfama said:
Exactly. That's why I'm not high on Chip Kelley either.

If UT does go through a coaching search I want the coach that's great at everything, recruiting included.
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You're right that Chip Kelly didn't recruit well either, but he also went to 4 BCS bowls and played for a national title. Mullen can't say anything like that.

The things about Kelly's teams that I liked the least was there there were always 1-2 big games per year where his teams got manhandled at the line of scrimmage, and they never really had a stout defense (just one that was good enough). I don't think that kind of stuff would fly in the SEC. Good SEC teams lose games from time to time, but it isn't because they get manhandled at the line of scrimmage. His offensive and defensive lines were routinely undersized, and that was by choice because he valued speed over size so much. Outside of QB, he seemed to be of the school of thought that personnel didn't matter because his scheme was golden.

He'd go fast and score a lot of points in the SEC, but I'm not sure he'd ever win an SEC title game.
 
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buckfama said:
Exactly. That's why I'm not high on Chip Kelley either.

If UT does go through a coaching search I want the coach that's great at everything, recruiting included.
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Chip Kelly recruited three consecutive top 15 classes.
 
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Boston Vol said:
Chip Kelly recruited three consecutive top 15 classes.
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2009 - 30th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 12th
2012 - 14th

While your statement is true, I wouldn't call him a dynamite recruiter. His two best classes, 2010 and 2011, would have been 6th best in the SEC both years.

And how he recruited fits perfectly with his MO, which is that personnel, especially personnel outside of QB, don't really matter. His scheme, which he thinks a bit too highly of, is all that matters to him.
 
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Boston Vol said:
When you constantly resort to the "flag football" thing, that means you have nothing. All but about 10-12 D1 programs would trade their current HC for him in a heartbeat.
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So?

Its still flag football, I call it Uncle Rico football... some of the lamest football ever created... its not even football... its the equivalent of calling air hockey... hockey... its not. Its actually like watching Uncle Rico on the Benny Hill show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMj2eEvPLOM
 
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LSU-SIU said:
He had the #1 flag football class.
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He was also more successful than any team Tennessee has produced in the last 10 years..please don't give me that Pac 10 crap, we as a program in those last 10 years are 1-5 vs the Pac 10 and 0-2 vs Chip Kelly teams. So maybe we should recruit better flag football players
 
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Sin City Vol said:
He was also more successful than any team Tennessee has produced in the last 10 years..please don't give me that Pac 10 crap, we as a program in those last 10 years are 1-5 vs the Pac 10 and 0-2 vs Chip Kelly teams. So maybe we should recruit better flag football players
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That statement kinda messes up their argument.
 
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