Making a Murderer (w/ Spoilers)

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Sandvol said:
Not out of the question but still speculative. The more important point you brought up was Avery's lie. That is how police catch people. They fact check your answers and then if you're caught in a lie then you better be able to explain your lie. Avery's problem was that was a pretty big lie. Colburn: "Did you see or talk to Teresa Halbach on October 31st?" Avery: "No."
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I agree with you there. Especially because it's a bad lie. If you killed her, then "She was here, I saw her, and she was fine when she left," is a much better lie than "I never saw her."
 
#552
#552
Sandvol said:
Not out of the question but still speculative. The more important point you brought up was Avery's lie. That is how police catch people. They fact check your answers and then if you're caught in a lie then you better be able to explain your lie. Avery's problem was that was a pretty big lie. Colburn: "Did you see or talk to Teresa Halbach on October 31st?" Avery: "No."
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I saw elvis in my back yard two months ago. Don't have video footage. Don't have anyone to corroborate my story, but trust me. Elvis is still alive.
 
#553
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SamRebel35 said:
I saw elvis in my back yard two months ago. Don't have video footage. Don't have anyone to corroborate my story, but trust me. Elvis is still alive.
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While you have a point, it's not exactly the same thing. If the defense believed that Colborn was lying about the conversation with Avery, they sure didn't press him on it.
 
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bamawriter said:
No one asked to search the property on November 3rd. Colborn is the only cop who went out there that day, and there is no testimony that suggests he ever asked for permission to search the property.
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From Strang's closing arguments:

"But you know, in general, the behavior you are seeing from Steven Avery on November 3 and November 4 is open, cooperative, sure you can search my house, contrasted to the behavior of a George Zipperer, who is one of the other appointments Teresa has that afternoon. Uncooperative, hostile, dishonest with the police, won't let him in the house for a long time, even after he knows this young woman is missing. You get this from -- some of it from JoEllen Zipperer and some of it from Detective Remiker."

I assume there was testimony/evidence brought out during the trial that proved he allowed police to search the property.
 
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red butler said:
I assume there was testimony/evidence brought out during the trial that proved he allowed police to search the property.
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I can't make any definitive statement since I'm still reading. All I can say is that, so far, the testimony thru Day 8 puts only Colborn on the property on 11/3, and he didn't ask to search. Maybe another officer did at another point in the evening, but I haven't seen that testimony yet.
 
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loggervol said:
Officer Colbourn had been briefed on the situation. Why would he be calling to verify the make of the car and the tag number?
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Missed your question. If you read his trial testimony which the documentary edited out he said he always calls in to verify plates. Just to make sure he has the correct number. Again nothing sinister.
 
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Biopsyman said:
Just completed...Brandon Dassy got screwed by his court appointed lawyers. Especially by Len...
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Take the documentary with a grain of salt. He was involved. He was heavily influenced by his psychopathic uncle but he was involved.
 
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#559
Full disclosure, Sandvol is basically the only person on this board who believes the prosecution and their case is 100 percent accurate
 
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Sandvol should pray he and/or any of his close family is not accused of such heinous crimes. The court of public opinion is vocal and very swift.

I agree the Netflix "documentary" is extremely biased but if you cannot see through the looking glass then I hope you and yours never have to experience a railroaded case such as this.
 
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SWIL said:
Full disclosure, Sandvol is basically the only person on this board who believes the prosecution and their case is 100 percent accurate
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No. The prosecution isn't required to be 100 percent accurate. I didn't even pay much attention to what the prosecution said. I just looked at the facts of the case. Pretty simple.
 
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trevols81 said:
Sandvol should pray he and/or any of his close family is not accused of such heinous crimes. The court of public opinion is vocal and very swift.

I agree the Netflix "documentary" is extremely biased but if you cannot see through the looking glass then I hope you and yours never have to experience a railroaded case such as this.
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If someone comes to my property and immediately disappears and cell phone records determine I called them on the day they disappeared but tried to disguise the call, then their remains are found buried and burned on my property, a bullet from my rifle is found with their DNA on it, my blood and DNA is found in their recovered automobile and along with their blood, and some of their belongings are found from the burned remains, and some of their belongings are found in my home, and I have no alibi, I hope you're on the jury.
 
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Sandvol said:
No. The prosecution isn't required to be 100 percent accurate. I didn't even pay much attention to what the prosecution said. I just looked at the facts of the case as presented by the prosecution. Pretty simple.
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fixed your post :hi:
 
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I talked with a person (doctorate education) that lived in Monatowac County for two years in her study about 5 years ago. She said all of the local people are convinced of the guilt of both men. She thinks it's funny that all of her friends that have never lived in The county, but watched the documentary, believe in their innocence.
 
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StillStanding said:
I talked with a person (doctorate education) that lived in Monatowac County for two years in her study about 5 years ago. She said all of the local people are convinced of the guilt of both men. She thinks it's funny that all of her friends that have never lived in The county, but watched the documentary, believe in their innocence.
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Of course they are! The local media saw to that back in 2007 by rendering them guilty by public opinion before the trial even got started.
 
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#573
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upcjW3rGCao[/youtube]
 
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Sandvol said:
If someone comes to my property and immediately disappears and cell phone records determine I called them on the day they disappeared but tried to disguise the call, then their remains are found buried and burned on my property, a bullet from my rifle is found with their DNA on it, my blood and DNA is found in their recovered automobile and along with their blood, and some of their belongings are found from the burned remains, and some of their belongings are found in my home, and I have no alibi, I hope you're on the jury.
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First of all, I was not referring to Steven Avery. I mentioned his entire family. Specifically Brendan Dassey, who had absolutely nothing to due with Teresa Halbach's disappearance. If you cannot see this then I have some beachfront property in Nebraska to sell you.

Dassey "confessed" to a crime that he and his uncle committed under the guise that he would go home if he just said what the policeman wanted him to hear. There is no evidence that corroborates ANYTHING he "confessed". This kid was railroaded into a murder confession in order to secure a conviction of his uncle.
 
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