Making a Murderer (w/ Spoilers)

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#127
Stoked said:
They may not have killed her, but they could have framed him once they found out she was murdered, and knew that she had been seen at his place to fit their story.
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While they almost certainly planted evidence and coerced confessions, the idea that they invented the crime out of almost whole-cloth pushes the boundaries of believability.
 
#129
#129
bamawriter said:
So you think the cops killed her?
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I doubt they killed her but i think they may of had it done.Remember when the sheriff said when could just kill him if we wanted to.Well that tells me that he actually had thought about it.Guess they thought that was to risky.

So here is my theory.When SA got released and was on tv all the time i think it pissed the sheriff or who ever was calling the shots off to no end.Then when the depositions started thats when they decided something had to be done.Killing him was to risky so frame him and send him back to prison perfect.So i think then they started watching SA ever move and had his phone tapped.They knew Teresa was coming to his house and that was their chance to make it all happen. I think they paid someone to kill her then they took over from there.
 
#130
#130
rush1228 said:
I doubt they killed her but i think they may of had it done.Remember when the sheriff said when could just kill him if we wanted to.Well that tells me that he actually had thought about it.Guess they thought that was to risky.

So here is my theory.When SA got released and was on tv all the time i think it pissed the sheriff or who ever was calling the shots off to no end.Then when the depositions started thats when they decided something had to be done.Killing him was to risky so frame him and send him back to prison perfect.So i think then they started watching SA ever move and had his phone tapped.They knew Teresa was coming to his house and that was their chance to make it all happen. I think they paid someone to kill her then they took over from there.
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This is where I jump off the conspiracy wagon.

I don't think the cops had anything to do with her murder, I think they used it as an opportunity. Heck Avery might have killed her but the cops did everything in their power to frame him regardless.
 
#131
#131
Reason I think he didn't do it is.

1. He just spent 18 years in jail for something he didn't do.

2. He was about to get millions.


If he just wanted to screw a pretty girl. He could have just taken his pick at all the girls lined up to be with him after he gets his millions.

I have a extremely hard time believing there is anyone that stupid to do this at that time.
 
#132
#132
rush1228 said:
I doubt they killed her but i think they may of had it done.Remember when the sheriff said when could just kill him if we wanted to.Well that tells me that he actually had thought about it.Guess they thought that was to risky.
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What the sheriff said was "It would have been easier to kill Avery than to frame him." (It is absolutely baffling that he allowed those words to come out of his mouth).

He's right. It would have been infinitely easier to kill Steven Avery than it would be to kill someone else and pin the murder on him. The risk involved would have been astronomical.
 
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OrangeBlood4life said:
He just spent 18 years in jail for something he didn't do.
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I think you're way too quick to discount how much those years in prison might have screwed him up. We're talking about a guy with undeniable mental and emotional issues. 18 years in the pen would do a number on a totally stable individual. What must they have done to a guy with Avery's make-up?
 
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#134
My theory maybe no where near the truth who knows.That police department is corrupt thats a fact.If Avery and Brendan would had a trial in any other state that didnt know anything about the case im pretty sure they would be free men.The show is great tv,just sucks that its real people and stuff like that can happen.
 
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#136
If I was Brendan's lawyers (and I actually wanted him to be set free, as opposed to his other lawyers) I would have gotten 2 outside interrogators to come in, drill him relentlessly again, and make him "confess" to a completely different story to show how easily it could have been done.
 
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#137
Sandvol said:
Whenever you look at a case like this it has to be the most plausible explanation. Whose DNA was found on the Toyota? Who was the last person seen with her and corroborated by numerous witnesses? Who called her to the residence? Whose back yard were the bones in? Whose bullet had her DNA on it? Who was seen burning a bonfire that night and placed himself at the bonfire and admitted he was doing a bonfire? Who corroborated he was doing a bonfire? Whose DNA was on the key? Whose DNA was on the hood latch? Who did Brandon Dassey say killed her? Who made several phone calls to her that day? Whose home was the Auto Trader and receipt found in? I can tell you the answers to any of those questions are not Bobby Dassey and Steve Tradych. In cases like these like the Knox case you can bring up all kinds of scenarios. Only one is plausible. This is a slam dunk case.
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So if someone pissed on your leg and told you it was raining, I guess you'd go get an umbrella...:ermm:
 
#138
#138
I'm really looking forward to the sequel myself.
 

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rush1228 said:
I doubt they killed her but i think they may of had it done.Remember when the sheriff said when could just kill him if we wanted to.Well that tells me that he actually had thought about it.Guess they thought that was to risky.

So here is my theory.When SA got released and was on tv all the time i think it pissed the sheriff or who ever was calling the shots off to no end.Then when the depositions started thats when they decided something had to be done.Killing him was to risky so frame him and send him back to prison perfect.So i think then they started watching SA ever move and had his phone tapped.They knew Teresa was coming to his house and that was their chance to make it all happen. I think they paid someone to kill her then they took over from there.
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So, let me get this straight. They kill this woman to frame Steve Avery, a woman who everyone in the community loved, instead of just killing Steve Avery because everyone was watching them too close? So they kill this woman and then take her bones to Avery's place and scattered them everywhere and no one saw them do this? If the police killed her why did they burn and mutilate her body? Wouldn't it have been better for them to have had an intact body to frame him? Why would they scatter her remains about into the four winds? And, also, so she left Avery's and they followed her but no witnesses to account for this and then murdered her somewhere away from Avery's and then brought the remains back and no one saw them do this?
 
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Stoked said:
The only motive he could have had would have been that he sexually assaulted her and didn't want to get caught (by her telling) so he killed her. But I don't believe he did that. He was about to be filthy rich. He would have owned that county, literally.
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He's a psychopath. They act on impulse. The millions of dollars was just some abstract thing to him.
 
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#142
hog88 said:
What doesn't add up is that he was able to completely clean ALL of her DNA and blood from his house and garage which is no small feat. He removed ALL of his fingerprints from her car and key yet was so sloppy he left his blood in the car and DNA on the key.
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Not you Hog. You're smarter than this. So, if Avery didn't do it then either the police or someone else. We have three competing possibilities-Avery, the Police, or someone else. Which one is the most probable weighing all the evidence?
 
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red butler said:
Do you have proof that she begged her boss not to send her, or is this more of Kratz embellishing?



I'm pretty sure the prosecution witness testified that it was consistent with a secondary transfer.
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Red, come on. Then who did it?
 
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chatt-townVOL said:
If I was Brendan's lawyers (and I actually wanted him to be set free, as opposed to his other lawyers) I would have gotten 2 outside interrogators to come in, drill him relentlessly again, and make him "confess" to a completely different story to show how easily it could have been done.
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That's what they did.
 
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#146
Sandvol said:
Red, come on. Then who did it?
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What evidence there is points to Steve Avery, no doubt about it. The problem is, I can't tell how much of it is planted. The police investigation was a sloppy mess so the defense was able to create reasonable doubt. The investigators didn't do their job of eliminating other suspects that I think could have done it, then went with a confession that wasn't consistent with the evidence. The forensic team screwed up everything. The prosecutor acted terribly inappropriately, didn't establish a crime scene supported by forensics, and didn't present a timeline that removes my suspicions that he didn't have time to do it.

I'm not convinced of his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. But that's not the standard we use to lock someone up for the rest of their lives.
 
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red butler said:
I'm not convinced of his innocence beyond a reasonable doubt. But that's not the standard we use to lock someone up for the rest of their lives.
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Apparently, it is. Yes, we only saw about 3.5 hours of the ~240 hour trial, but it is supposed to be "Innocent until proven guilty beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt."

That just wasn't the case. One of Avery's lawyers nailed it "Even to be accused is to lose".

I ended up watching all 98 hours of the Casey Anthony trial (excluded all side bars, hearings, evidence introductions, etc) and if I were in that jury, I would've voted "Not Guilty" and taken heat from every emotionally charged bystander who is disappointed their entertainment drama of the month is now over "without blood" they were craving. You can't tell me when, where, how, or with what that little girl was killed. Casey being a sociopath, a whore, a pathological liar, etc doesn't prove to me "beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt" she murdered her daughter *to a 1st degree count* (which description is very important).

The TLDR point I'm making is you won't convince me the first jury count was admittedly (publicly) 7 innocent , 3 guilty, 2 undecided, and then a day later is 12 unanimously guilty and knowingly sending a man to prison WITHOUT seeing any new or developing evidence in between those votes.

I believe he killed her, just like I honestly believe Casey Anthony aided the killing and/or concealment of her daughter, but that means next to nothing when laying down a vote for the record on a murder trial that is supposed to be based solely on evidence and testimony.
 
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#150
Sandvol said:
Not you Hog. You're smarter than this. So, if Avery didn't do it then either the police or someone else. We have three competing possibilities-Avery, the Police, or someone else. Which one is the most probable weighing all the evidence?
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Avery may have killed her but not where and how the police/prosecution claimed. Not a ****ing chance in hell he's so thorough and smart enough to clean all of her blood and DNA from his house and garage. He may have killed her elsewhere but not in his house or garage.

I do not believe the police killed her, I believe they used her murder as an opportunity to imprison him and planted evidence to ensure his conviction.
 
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