Malcolm Gladwell

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volbeast33 said:
Ali had parkinsons disease..... Boxing is the scapegoat.....there is no verifiable proof it caused him to have parkinsons......Michael j fox has the same disease at around the same age.....maybe they should look into the dangers of acting.
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Regardless of the Ali question:

Do you believe that traumatic brain injuries have no long-term, negative consequences?

Recent peer-reviewed, academic studies that are published in scientific journals claim that over 1 million high school football players suffer non-diagnosed concussions every year. Do you think these studies are critically flawed? Do you think that if only 500,000 high school football players suffer concussions every year it makes high school football more palatable?
 
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Dbake005 said:
What about if your kid gets a tremendously bad concussion?
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Then he gets a really bad concussion......life is to be lived......its not to put yourself in a bubble so u never get hurt.......noone lives forever......we all die eventually......more people die in car wrecks then any other way but I'm still going to let them drive a car.....I'm going to teach them how to take care of theirselves though
 
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therealUT said:
Regardless of the Ali question:

Do you believe that traumatic brain injuries have no long-term, negative consequences?

Recent peer-reviewed, academic studies that are published in scientific journals claim that over 1 million high school football players suffer non-diagnosed concussions every year. Do you think these studies are critically flawed? Do you think that if only 500,000 high school football players suffer concussions every year it makes high school football more palatable?
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If they are non diagnosed then how do they know they happen.......I think a lot of studies are done to support what position the person doing the study takes.....I have no idea what effect it has on the brain and I don't think the people doing the studies do either.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Ali had parkinsons disease..... Boxing is the scapegoat.....there is no verifiable proof it caused him to have parkinsons......Michael j fox has the same disease at around the same age.....maybe they should look into the dangers of acting.
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Please tell me you're kidding.
 
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kidbourbon said:
Please tell me you're kidding.
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I was comparing Ali to Michael j fox bc both developed a disease that affects a good portion of the population whether they are boxers or not.....they jumped to the conclusion it was boxing when its a disease many Americans face that have never put on the gloves in their life.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Ali had parkinsons disease..... Boxing is the scapegoat.....there is no verifiable proof it caused him to have parkinsons......Michael j fox has the same disease at around the same age.....maybe they should look into the dangers of acting.
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Btw, he had Parkinson's Syndrome, not Parkinson's Disease. The difference, of course, is that Parkinson's Disease causes the symptons of Parkinson's Syndrome but it is a disease, as in Michael J. Fox's case, that one just gets, likely from genetic factors.

Ali has Parkinson's Syndrome caused by head trauma. The verifiable proof is in the form of multiple doctors arriving at the same conclusion after examining the man and looking at images of his brain.

Find me a doctor of Ali's who has arrived at a different conclusion. Good luck with that because there are none.

I can't believe I read such nonsense.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I was comparing Ali to Michael j fox bc both developed a disease that affects a good portion of the population whether they are boxers or not.....they jumped to the conclusion it was boxing when its a disease many Americans face that have never put on the gloves in their life.
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Who are "they"? Multiple physicians who have examined scans of his brain?

Yeah, I'm sure they "jumped" to conclusions.
 
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#37
As long as football is a Billion Dollar industry, it will exist.

It's like people who thought Santorum would be able to ban porn. The second he said that, he lost any chance at it. Anyone who stands up to these multi billion dollar industries will fail, and probably be taken care of some other way. Ask Tobacco how their lawsuits go. Just start putting a warning label or add the clause to the contracts students sign at colleges or NFL players sign and suddenly they can't sue anymore.
 
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Daloth said:
As long as football is a Billion Dollar industry, it will exist.

It's like people who thought Santorum would be able to ban porn. The second he said that, he lost any chance at it. Anyone who stands up to these multi billion dollar industries will fail, and probably be taken care of some other way. Ask Tobacco how their lawsuits go. Just start putting a warning label or add the clause to the contracts students sign at colleges or NFL players sign and suddenly they can't sue anymore.
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This works when dealing with individuals who are capable of consent. Legally, most high school students and all middle school and elementary school students cannot consent. So, a warning label does nothing.
 
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CountVolcula said:
If they were forced to do it.

You know the risks and you assume those risks

Same with what I do.
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No, they don't know the risks. No one has any perspective on the consequences of that kind of trauma until they experience it for themselves. Furthermore, there's no way that those starting to play football are in any way informed about concussions the way people following the issue closely like us are. These are teenagers we're talking about, not people with medical degrees. If you think they're fully aware of what can concussions can do, you're dead wrong.

By the way, ask Dave Duerson and Junior Seau how they feel about "knowing" the risks. They didn't seem too happy with their completely rational and conscious decision to play as teenagers, did they?

Just admit it. You and volbeast don't care. You both are far more concerned about your enjoyment of the game and the "toughness" of it being protected than the wellbeing of these players, and you're terrible human beings because of it.
 
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UTRavens said:
No, they don't know the risks. No one has any perspective on the consequences of that kind of trauma until they experience it for themselves. Furthermore, there's no way that those starting to play football are in any way informed about concussions the way people following the issue closely like us are. These are teenagers we're talking about, not people with medical degrees. If you think they're fully aware of what can concussions can do, you're dead wrong.

By the way, ask Dave Duerson and Junior Seau how they feel about "knowing" the risks. They didn't seem too happy with their completely rational and conscious decision to play as teenagers, did they?

Just admit it. You and volbeast don't care. You both are far more concerned about your enjoyment of the game and the "toughness" of it being protected than the wellbeing of these players, and you're terrible human beings because of it.
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Well doesn't someone need a tampon....... Noone knows the reasons duerson or away killed theirselves.....anybody claiming to know is full of sh*t.......could it cause depression or dementia possibly but this is two guys out of thousands to play in the NFL..... If it wasn't for what it would do to my family.....I would trade lives with seau right now and take the nfl hall of fame career...better option than growing old in a nursing home having my rear end wiped by a cna......people should be able to make that choice for themselves.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Well doesn't someone need a tampon....... Noone knows the reasons duerson or away killed theirselves.....anybody claiming to know is full of sh*t.......could it cause depression or dementia possibly but this is two guys out of thousands to play in the NFL..... If it wasn't for what it would do to my family.....I would trade lives with seau right now and take the nfl hall of fame career...better option than growing old in a nursing home having my rear end wiped by a cna......people should be able to make that choice for themselves.
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You make really dumb points, dude.

You would trade lives with a guy who just off'd himself? Great decision!
 
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UTRavens said:
No, they don't know the risks. No one has any perspective on the consequences of that kind of trauma until they experience it for themselves. Furthermore, there's no way that those starting to play football are in any way informed about concussions the way people following the issue closely like us are. These are teenagers we're talking about, not people with medical degrees. If you think they're fully aware of what can concussions can do, you're dead wrong.

By the way, ask Dave Duerson and Junior Seau how they feel about "knowing" the risks. They didn't seem too happy with their completely rational and conscious decision to play as teenagers, did they?

Just admit it. You and volbeast don't care. You both are far more concerned about your enjoyment of the game and the "toughness" of it being protected than the wellbeing of these players, and you're terrible human beings because of it.
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This is why they have warning labels on chainsaws that read

"Dont place hand near or on chain while chain is in motion"

Because people wouldnt know that it might hurt them

Smh
 
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GAVol said:
I've read that about 5 times trying to figure out if Im missing something. This is one of the 5 nuttiest things I've ever read on here . . . and that's saying something. :blink:
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I know I was being facetious and over the top but I had an uncle die at thirty-two bc of a lung disease.....a cousin die at age 5 from a heavy object falling on him.....another cousin die at 3months from a hole in her heart....and a close friend die in a car wreck.

The point being is that everyone dies and will die.....sure work on safety measures and teaching proper technique but do not tell me or my kids what I should value more. This is America and I have that choice.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I know I was being facetious and over the top but I had an uncle die at thirty-two bc of a lung disease.....a cousin die at age 5 from a heavy object falling on him.....another cousin die at 3months from a hole in her heart....and a close friend die in a car wreck.

The point being is that everyone dies and will die.....sure work on safety measures and teaching proper technique but do not tell me or my kids what I should value more. This is America and I have that choice.
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I certainly agree that we, as Americans, have a right to choose whether or not we off ourselves. Hold on, I'm certain I can hear battle hymn of the republic. Yes yes, I can hear it faintly in the background as I type. This was a touching moment.
 
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kidbourbon said:
I certainly agree that we, as Americans, have a right to choose whether or not we off ourselves. Hold on, I'm certain I can hear battle hymn of the republic. Yes yes, I can hear it faintly in the background as I type. This was a touching moment.
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I'm sorry we don't all share your values.....maybe you should start a club....the world is changing....I already have to look into what sport leagues my kids join bc some of them don't keep score and have no competition bc it may hurt a kid's......now they are trying to stop football....everyone is becoming way too fragile.
 
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#47
These are my problems with Gladwell's argument.

‎1) Dogs don't have a choice when it comes to dog-fighting. People do have a choice when it comes to playing a violent sport.

2) You can alter the game of football to reduce some of the violent collisions. However, if that's the primary reason, then you have to look at other sports, like soccer, where people take repeated shots to the head. At least in football the participants are wearing a helmet.

3) I do agree that something needs to be done to curb the facilities arms-race between programs when academic programs across the country are getting cut.

4) Football is embedded in the social fabric of suburban and rural communities across many regions, whereas boxing and horse-racing are not. So, that comparison is pretty poor.

5) College football players do get paid. They get tuition, a stipend, and access to academic resources that most students don't have. On the flip side, they end up putting in way more time at their "jobs" than most students. I would prefer to see much tighter enforcement on how much time athletics can suck from their schedule, rather than to pay them like they're a pro-athlete.

6) Football, like any other sport, is an avenue of upward mobility. It's in the interest of the public good to provide as many merit-based incentives for acquiring higher education. The answer isn't simply to divorce football from college. I think the better solution would be to create better incentives for coaches to benefit from their players being good students as well as athletes. Teams are currently docked scholarships if their aggregate GPA is too low. I would like to see the opposite as well - you can get bonus scholarships for having a high team GPA.

I like Gladwell, but I could rant for days on this.
 
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#48
RiotVol said:
These are my problems with Gladwell's argument.

‎1) Dogs don't have a choice when it comes to dog-fighting. People do have a choice when it comes to playing a violent sport.
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Would you say that children have the ability to consent to any risky behavior that might have long-term traumatic effects they want to?

RiotVol said:
2) You can alter the game of football to reduce some of the violent collisions. However, if that's the primary reason, then you have to look at other sports, like soccer, where people take repeated shots to the head. At least in football the participants are wearing a helmet.
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The average G's experienced in a soccer header are between 20-50; the average G's in a football tackle are over 100 and up to 300.

RiotVol said:
3) I do agree that something needs to be done to curb the facilities arms-race between programs when academic programs across the country are getting cut.

4) Football is embedded in the social fabric of suburban and rural communities across many regions, whereas boxing and horse-racing are not. So, that comparison is pretty poor.
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There have been plenty of ill-advised institutions that have been embedded in the social fabric of communities; this alone does not make these institutions right.
 
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therealUT said:
Would you say that children have the ability to consent to any risky behavior that might have long-term traumatic effects they want to?
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Wait are you implying that the kids can't consent? Because I'm pretty sure I can dig up a thread of you saying Sandusky shouldn't be charged b/c the kids had the ability to consent to have sex with him
 
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therealUT said:
Would you say that children have the ability to consent to any risky behavior that might have long-term traumatic effects they want to?



The average G's experienced in a soccer header are between 20-50; the average G's in a football tackle are over 100 and up to 300.



There have been plenty of ill-advised institutions that have been embedded in the social fabric of communities; this alone does not make these institutions right.
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I don't know how it works in your family but my kids choose what they want to do and I give the consent as their guardian.
 
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