Male Coach for the Lady Vols

Would you accept a male coach for the Lady Vols?

  • Yes

    Votes: 343 94.5%
  • No

    Votes: 20 5.5%

  • Total voters
    363
  • Poll closed .
#26
#26
I don't think this question addresses the issue. It is a complicated one that does not readily fit into a yeah or nay box.

To clarify, here is one rationale for those would would prefer to see a woman coach in this role (including myself), [note a preference for a woman coach does not mean animosity toward a man candidate like Walz].

As it stands, a male coach can legitimately compete for a job in the men's and women's NCAA divisions and the NBA and WNBA. Women can only compete in women's sphere. Yes, Becky Hammond is now an ASSISTANT in the NBA but she is also a trailblazer.

If we were in a world where say Tara Vandaveer or Muffet McGraw would considered as legitimate candidates for a top tier job in a men's program or the NBA, then the gender question with respect to the LVs (pending) opening would be moot because we would have even playing field for men and women candidates.

But the current world is one where men have all options open and women have many doors closed. The LVs program is symbolic, via CPS and her mentorship, a beacon for women coaching and being in positions in leadership.

Closing that door would be a big deal in a historic perspective.

The idea that the LVs should just hire the "best" candidate misses the point because so many diverse dimensions go into being a successful head coach. No one gets hired just on their record but also on his/her knowledge, attitude, poise, confidence, people skills, energy, enthusiasm and myriad other factors such as how one relates to alumni and the Vol culture (think of Kevin O'Neil and his ill-fated tenure as the Vol's mens coach).

When you compare the profiles of Tina Langley versus Jeff Walz, someone could conclude that, on the whole, that Langley has a bigger upside and might be a fit better with the program. Maybe they seem equivalent on the coaching skills dimension but Langley is a better people person (or has fewer ethical clouds hanging over her head) [Just being hypothetical here]

I realize that this issue is a delicate one and I appreciate the appeal of the "gender does not matter" but in the bigger scheme, I think CPS would have loved for her program to be a launch pad for a talented up coming woman coach to prove her worth.

Having said that all, Walz would bring considerable cachet to the program; he put U of Louisville on the map and has an impressive record.

But as with Gail G. and her transition from Duke to Texas, success at one program does not necessarily translate to another and hence, even here, the "best" candidate may not be a blatantly obvious, depending on who else is the consideration (and we still don' t know the validity of all the current rumors).
 
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#27
#27
I’d hire this guy with ties to Pawnee, Indiana everyday and all day on Sunday.
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#29
#29
Whether this is true or not, I hate its coming up while Louisville is still playing. His team does not deserve the extra emotion of even the threat of losing their coach. Rhetorical question I know but can the U of T ever do a hire with class?

The LVs program is symbolic, via CPS and her mentorship, a beacon for women coaching and being in positions in leadership.
Closing that door would be a big deal in a histori
Hiring a male, this time, should not mean closing that door at all. I'm still not sure about the myth of Pat and female exclusivitiy in coach hiring since she seemed to totally endorse Tyler's career.
Having said that all, Walz would bring considerable cachet to the program; he put U of Louisville on the map and has an impressive record.
This. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the AD would actually shell out for a big name. It's a commitment to the LVs most of us thought would never happen, and this rumor aside, probably never will. But a star hire would instantly spark interest, excitement, also big expectations. LVs right back in the convro. Maybe the opportunity for a star hire outweighs a gender-preferred hire this time. Wish a female star (Mulky) was available, perfect solution.
But as with Gail G. and her transition from Duke to Texas, success at one program does not necessarily translate to another and hence, even here, the "best" candidate may not be a blatantly obvious, depending on who else is the consideration (and we still don' t know the validity of all the current rumors).
LOL, yeah there's that. All the above cache and could fall flat. Just our luck. Speaking of Gail G, that's a female semi-star hire I'd like.
 
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#30
#30
I'd prefer a woman for some reason. I guess that's because it's Ladies BB.
 
#31
#31
Prefer woman. And it's because I'm NOT egalitarian regarding sex. I think it's better for women to be head-coached by women. But not as necessary as for men to be coached by men. But I'm willing to accept a man.
 
#32
#32
Prefer woman. And it's because I'm NOT egalitarian regarding sex. I think it's better for women to be head-coached by women. But not as necessary as for men to be coached by men. But I'm willing to accept a man.
That's still sexist against male head coaches:rolleyes:
 
#42
#42
I don't think this question addresses the issue. It is a complicated one that does not readily fit into a yeah or nay box.

To clarify, here is one rationale for those would would prefer to see a woman coach in this role (including myself), [note a preference for a woman coach does not mean animosity toward a man candidate like Walz].

As it stands, a male coach can legitimately compete for a job in the me'ns and women's NCAA divisions and the NBA and WNBA. Women can only compete in women's sphere. Yes, Becky Hammond is now an ASSISTANT in the NBA but she is also a trailblazer.

If we were in a world where say Tara Vandaveer or Muffet McGraw would considered as legitimate candidates for a top tier job in a men's program or the NBA, then the gender question with respect to the LVs (pending) opening would moot because we would have even playing for men and women candidates.

But the current world is one where men have all options open and women have many doors closed. The LVs program is symbolic, via CPS and her mentorship, a beacon for women coaching and being in positions in leadership.

Closing that door would be a big deal in a historic perspective.

The idea that the LVs should just hire the "best" candidate misses the point because so many diverse dimensions go into being a successful head coach. No one gets hired just on their record but also on his/her knowledge, attitude, poise, confidence, people skills, energy, enthusiasm and myriad other factors such as how one relates to alumni and the Vol culture (think of Kevin O'Neil and his ill-fated tenure as the Vol's mens coach).

When you compare the profiles of Tina Langley versus Jeff Walz, someone could conclude that, on the whole, that Langley has a bigger upside and might be a fit better with the program. Maybe they seem equivalent on the coaching skills dimension but Langley is a better people person (or has fewer ethical clouds hanging over her head) [Just being hypothetical here]

I realize that this issue is a delicate one and I appreciate the appeal of the "gender does not matter" but in the bigger scheme, I think CPS would have loved for her program to be a launch pad for a talented up coming woman coach to prove her worth.

Having said that all, Walz would bring considerable cachet to the program; he put U of Louisville on the map and has an impressive record.

But as with Gail G. and her transition from Duke to Texas, success at one program does not necessarily translate to another and hence, even here, the "best" candidate may not be a blatantly obvious, depending on who else is the consideration (and we still don' t know the validity of all the current rumors).

Terrific post!
 
#44
#44
Whether this is true or not, I hate its coming up while Louisville is still playing. His team does not deserve the extra emotion of even the threat of losing their coach. Rhetorical question I know but can the U of T ever do a hire with class?

I'm still not sure about the myth of Pat and female exclusivitiy in coach hiring since she seemed to totally endorse Tyler's career.

This. I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the AD would actually shell out for a big name. It's a commitment to the LVs most of us thought would never happen, and this rumor aside, probably never will. But a star hire would instantly spark interest, excitement, also big expectations. LVs right back in the convro. Maybe the opportunity for a star hire outweighs a gender-preferred hire this time. Wish a female star (Mulky) was available, perfect solution.

Yes, I have also read on this board that CPS dreamed of Tyler replacing her. Personally, I am skeptical of that story. Given CPS's emphasize on self-reliance, meritocracy, and earning your way, it seems out of character that she would act as through Tyler had a birth right to her seat (aka thone).

Hiring Walz would be a great way for UTAD to "control the narrative"; Holly and the problems of the past years would become non-issues as the media would focus on this new, exciting chapter in LV history.

I am inclined to believe these Walz rumors. If true, the UTAD can't announce anything until after the tournament; and in terms of controlling the narrative, I doubt they want to go public on Holly's departure right now and then wait for 2 weeks to reveal the new coach. That gap would be a two week void filled by all kinds speculative narratives about the state of the program, players' futures, and ESPN discussions about whether or not Holly got a fair shake and it generally would not be good PR.

So, what to do in the interim when the UTAD knows that the fan base and most importantly, the players, recruits and their families are waiting in limbo perhaps pondering transfer options.

You strategically leak information to signal, "Hunker down just a bit longer, the cavalry is coming, the cavalry is coming!"
 
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#46
#46
warlick has spent SEVEN LONG YEARS chewing away at the LV program like a swarm of termites
and there are people making an issue what kind of plumbing her replacement should have.

come on .... who gives a rat's ass about their plumbing if we can get a real good person who really knows how to coach winning basketball !!!
 
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#48
#48
I have honestly thought this for years - NOT because a woman cannot be a brilliant coach (and we have many examples starting with of course, Pat) but because any woman at Tennessee is always going to be compared to Pat. A male might have a slight advantage with the comparison game.

I was thinking the same thing when I got the news of the possibility of us getting Walz.
 
#50
#50
Yes, I have also read on this board that CPS dreamed of Tyler replacing her. Personally, I am skeptical of that story. Given CPS's emphasize on self-reliance, meritocracy, and earning your way, it seems out of character that she would act as through Tyler had a birth right to her seat (aka thone).
I was talking about Tyler's career as a male coach in the women's game in general, not specifically the throne. She seemed fine with men, including her own son, taking WBB coaching jobs.
 
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