Manafort Trial Thread Part II

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Mick said:
The dems didn't want her the DNC did, and you know who was pulling the string on that one don't you?
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She received more votes during the primaries than anyone else, so who was voting for her in the Dem primaries if it wasn't Dems?
 
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Mick said:
The dems didn't want her the DNC did, and you know who was pulling the string on that one don't you?
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Then who were all those crying , sobbing and wailing people in the audience under the “ glass ceiling “ on election night , independent voters ? 😂
 
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volinbham said:
Russian election collusion? Yes a witch hunt.

None of what Manafort is being charged with (and now pleaing to or convicted of in the last trial) is related to Russian election collusion or Trump.
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Manafort is either the dumbest person to ever stand trial or he has jack squat on Trump.

I’m going with the latter. He’d be singing like a canary if he knew it’d save himself.
 
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volinbham said:
Russian election collusion? Yes a witch hunt.

None of what Manafort is being charged with (and now pleaing to or convicted of in the last trial) is related to Russian election collusion or Trump.
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That should scare the crap out of you shouldn't it since he plead guilty? Manafort knows something we don't know.
 
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Mick said:
That should scare the crap out of you shouldn't it since he plead guilty? Manafort knows something we don't know.
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1. If Manafort knows of Russian collusion involving Trump I want to know it. I've consistently said that I doubt it's true but am open to the possibility.

2. Neither your nor I know why he plead or whether he's agreed to cooperate or whether he even has anything to cooperate about.

So far every charge from Mueller has been based around information that we've known about prior to charging. In contrast we still aren't seeing much information at all about Russian collusion. The closest would be some stuff about Roger Stone.

I'll wait until we hear the facts
 
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volinbham said:
1. If Manafort knows of Russian collusion involving Trump I want to know it. I've consistently said that I doubt it's true but am open to the possibility.

2. Neither your nor I know why he plead or whether he's agreed to cooperate or whether he even has anything to cooperate about.

So far every charge from Mueller has been based around information that we've known about prior to charging. In contrast we still aren't seeing much information at all about Russian collusion. The closest would be some stuff about Roger Stone.

I'll wait until we hear the facts
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Sure, other than what was reported in the dossier, Mueller has ran a tight ship.
 
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volinbham said:
So we still have no indication whether this is a cooperation deal.
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Anything short of Paul producing a golden shower video or a recording of Donald discussing a quid pro quo for the DNC hack, will be dismissed as a nothing burger.

Nah, even that would be a "So, what? We knew he was a scumbag."

The money will tell the tale of if and how deep the Trumps were in it with Russia.

And yet, again, I think that would be met with another collective yawn.
 
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Stew Cook said:
Anything short of Paul producing a golden shower video or a recording of Donald discussing a quid pro quo for the DNC hack, will be dismissed as a nothing burger.

Nah, even that would be a "So, what? We knew he was a scumbag."

The money will tell the tale of if and how deep the Trumps were in it with Russia.

And yet, again, I think that would be met with another collective yawn.
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or we could wait to see if any charges are ever levied regarding Trump/Russia collusion - nah, he has to be guilty because Dems have told us so.
 
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Mick said:
That should scare the crap out of you shouldn't it since he plead guilty? Manafort knows something we don't know.
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Yeah, probably knows he was guilty of the crimes he was charged with and he didn't have the money for another trial.
 
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volinbham said:
or we could wait to see if any charges are ever levied regarding Trump/Russia collusion - nah, he has to be guilty because Dems have told us so.
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That's what I've been saying.. I do like to dabble in a bit of rhetoric, though.
 
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This investigation is akin to a local sheriff that doesn't like you. He thinks you're dirty, he can't catch you doing anything, has no proof you've done anything but has his deputies pulling over your friends and family writing them tickets trying to get one to finger you on something, anything.
 
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hog88 said:
This investigation is akin to a local sheriff that doesn't like you. He thinks you're dirty, he can't catch you doing anything, has no proof you've done anything but has his deputies pulling over your friends and family writing them tickets trying to get one to finger you on something, anything.
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What? You mean Manafort's a black man in the south?
 
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hog88 said:
This investigation is akin to a local sheriff that doesn't like you. He thinks you're dirty, he can't catch you doing anything, has no proof you've done anything but has his deputies pulling over your friends and family writing them tickets trying to get one to finger you on something, anything.
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Yep, and finding crimes is like shooting snakes in a barrel-sized swamp.
 
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volinbham said:
1. If Manafort knows of Russian collusion involving Trump I want to know it. I've consistently said that I doubt it's true but am open to the possibility.

2. Neither your nor I know why he plead or whether he's agreed to cooperate or whether he even has anything to cooperate about.

So far every charge from Mueller has been based around information that we've known about prior to charging. In contrast we still aren't seeing much information at all about Russian collusion. The closest would be some stuff about Roger Stone.

I'll wait until we hear the facts
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Correct, but what do you make of what is publicly known, i.e. Papadopolous drunk and bragging that the Russians had emails on Clinton, before that was public? I mean, how did he just happen to know that other than through his role in the campaign? And the Trump Tower meeting, "If its' what you say, I love it." And Junior's calls to the burner phone? And the fact that the Trump campaign found itself infested with people that had links to Russia, i..e Carter Page, Flynn, Manafort?

Certainly, the index of suspicion has to be high.
 
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hog88 said:
She received more votes during the primaries than anyone else, so who was voting for her in the Dem primaries if it wasn't Dems?
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R's in the states with open primaries that were terrified of Bernie?
 
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This closes the door for Manafort to get a pardon. Manafort and Trump had a shared defense agreement. That agreement was been ripped up.
 
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