Manafort Trial Thread

#377
#377
So this looks like it’s going to come down to the credibility of Gates. Gates cut his deal to squeal on Manafort. So Manaforts attorneys are going to attack on that basis to discredit him. If Gates has nothing more than his own account with no paper trail and I’m on that jury I’m going to be asking myself “did he lie to get himself off?”.

If there’s no paper trail showing Manafort directed Gates to do it I think you just have Gates.

Regardless they have to get a sizable conviction against Manafort to get to the next step in their grand plan, delay sentencing in order to try to get Manafort to spill the beans on Trump.

Then you have two individuals with financial crimes as your golden path to bagging Trump. Nah. This goes no where. Big ole case of lefty blue balls being lined up here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
It IS illegal to get help in an election from a foreign power.

And when Donny figured out that little Donny and Kush were in hot water over it, he fabricated the adoption story.

And he fired Comey because he was going to get to the bottom of it.

And Russia wanted him to win because they have dirt on him.

This is all so obvious. Trump is going to be removed from office. You just need to come to terms with the inevitable.
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I'll leave this here:
Opinion | The Clinton campaign sought dirt on Trump from Russian officials. Where’s the outrage?

Oh, but you are right. He will be removed from office. In about 6 years or so.
 
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#380
Rick Gates testifies that he and Paul Manafort had 15 foreign accounts they did not report to the federal government, and knew it was illegal. He said he did not submit the required forms "at Mr. Manafort's direction." One of the accounts was connected to Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian intelligence operative in the GRU.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I'll leave this here:
Opinion | The Clinton campaign sought dirt on Trump from Russian officials. Where’s the outrage?

Oh, but you are right. He will be removed from office. In about 6 years or so.
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Thiessen from the "Fake News" Washington Post forgets to mention that it was Republicans opposed to trump who initially requested the "dirt" from Fusion GPS--- Let's look at some critical differences shall we:
A repub. contender began the Steele investigation.. . Priebus told the contender to stand down and the intel was offered to the Clinton campaign--and continued what your man Thiessen himself terms "opposition research," through Clinton's lawyer. " Steele's sources were sources working against the Russian government who he had cultivated as MI6.--Flynn and Page have admitted they were paid by people close to the russian gov. Steel was not paid by the Russians.
Fusion GPS is not affiliated with a foreign government---the clinton campaign did not seek assistance from a foreign government-- Trump's baby boy met with russians and then actively concealed this from American Intelligence and Law enforcement. Now trumpy is having a difficult time keeping the lies straight.

In contrast- ---When Steele returned with potentially damaging intel--He was sent directly to the FBI and counter-intelligence officials. They found dirt...they did not use the dirt----thus the golden shower moron who inhabits the white house.
 
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newarkvol said:
Thiessen from the "Fake News" Washington Post forgets to mention that it was Republicans opposed to trump who initially requested the "dirt" from Fusion GPS--- Let's look at some critical differences shall we:
A Repub contender began the Steele investigation... . Priebus told the contender to stand down and the intel was offered to the Clinton campaign--and continued what your man Thiessen himself terms "opposition research," through Clinton's lawyer. " Steele's sources were sources working against the Russian government who he had cultivated as MI6.--Flynn and Page have admitted they were paid by people close to the russian gov. Steel was not paid by the Russians
Fusion GPS is not affiliated with a foreign government---the clinton campaign did not seek assistance from a foreign government-- Trump's baby boy met with russians and then actively concealed this from American Intelligence and Law enforcement. Now trumpy is having a difficult time keeping the lies straight.

In contrast- ---When Steele returned with potentially damaging intel--He was sent directly to the FBI and counter-intelligence officials. They found dirt...they did not use the dirt----thus the moron who inhabits the white house.
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Wrong. Steele was NOT involved in the Republican paid for dirt digging operation by the Washington Free Beacon. He came on later when Victoria Nuland, an Obama State Dept. employee, gave the green light for an FBI agent to meet him.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Wrong. Steele was NOT involved in the Republican paid for dirt digging operation by the Washington Free Beacon. He came on later when Victoria Nuland, an Obama State Dept. employee, gave the green light for an FBI agent to meet him.
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You are correct good sir---I do try to live in a fact based world -- I have amended--

"In April 2016, attorney Marc Elias hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele to research and compile the dossier. Steele was hired without knowing, or ever having direct contact with, his ultimate clients, and his only instructions were to seek answers to this basic question: "Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?" Senior Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted with Steele, and Steele was not told the Clinton campaign was the ultimate recipient of his research. Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research, and was reportedly paid directly by Glenn R. Simpson, a co-founder of Fusion GPS.The completed dossier was then handed to British and American intelligence services.

---really has no bearing on the argument, but thank you for pointing out....By the way How's the old neighborhood?

Mayer, Jane (March 12, 2018). "Christopher Steele, the Man Behind the Trump Dossier". The New Yorker. Retrieved March 6, 2018.
Simpson, Glenn R.; Fritsch, Peter (January 2, 2018). "The Republicans' Fake investigations". The New York Times. Retrieved January 3, 2018.
"Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier". The Washington Post. Retrieved October 25,2017.
Sampathkumar, Mythili (August 23, 2017). "Trump–Russia dossier sources revealed to the FBI by Christopher Steele". The Independent. Retrieved April 1, 2018
 
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newarkvol said:
You are correct good sir---I do try to live in a fact based world -- I have amended--

"In April 2016, attorney Marc Elias hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump on behalf of Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee (DNC). In June 2016, Fusion GPS subcontracted Steele to research and compile the dossier. Steele was hired without knowing, or ever having direct contact with, his ultimate clients, and his only instructions were to seek answers to this basic question: "Why did Mr. Trump repeatedly seek to do deals in a notoriously corrupt police state that most serious investors shun?" Senior Clinton campaign officials were reportedly unaware that Fusion GPS had subcontracted with Steele, and Steele was not told the Clinton campaign was the ultimate recipient of his research. Following Trump's election as president, funding from Clinton and the DNC ceased, but Steele continued his research, and was reportedly paid directly by Glenn R. Simpson, a co-founder of Fusion GPS.The completed dossier was then handed to British and American intelligence services.

---really has no bearing on the argument, but thank you for pointing out....By the way How's the old neighborhood?

Mayer, Jane (March 12, 2018). "Christopher Steele, the Man Behind the Trump Dossier". The New Yorker. Retrieved March 6, 2018.
Simpson, Glenn R.; Fritsch, Peter (January 2, 2018). "The Republicans' Fake investigations". The New York Times. Retrieved January 3, 2018.
"Clinton campaign, DNC paid for research that led to Russia dossier". The Washington Post. Retrieved October 25,2017.
Sampathkumar, Mythili (August 23, 2017). "Trump–Russia dossier sources revealed to the FBI by Christopher Steele". The Independent. Retrieved April 1, 2018
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You forgot the QED and microphone drop.
 
#392
#392
I don’t understand why the accountants were given immunity. If they were lied to they didn’t commit any crimes. Even ethically if they were lied to they’re not responsible for their clients actions. If you prepare a return and your client doesn’t file it that is on them, not you. Same as withholding information. If things are hidden from you by fraud or conspiracy you’re not liable in any way for that.
 
#394
#394
NorthDallas40 said:
So this looks like it’s going to come down to the credibility of Gates. Gates cut his deal to squeal on Manafort. So Manaforts attorneys are going to attack on that basis to discredit him. If Gates has nothing more than his own account with no paper trail and I’m on that jury I’m going to be asking myself “did he lie to get himself off?”.

If there’s no paper trail showing Manafort directed Gates to do it I think you just have Gates.

Regardless they have to get a sizable conviction against Manafort to get to the next step in their grand plan, delay sentencing in order to try to get Manafort to spill the beans on Trump.

Then you have two individuals with financial crimes as your golden path to bagging Trump. Nah. This goes no where. Big ole case of lefty blue balls being lined up here.
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Ummm Manafort has a second trial after this in D.C. He faces charges there of actioning as an unregistered foreign agent and witness tapering. It’s not over just yet.
 
#397
#397
If Manafort was playing the financial rube game then he can pay his "debts" according to what the law says. However, the manner in which these charges have been brought ought to cause pause for people.
 
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tennvols77 said:
If Manafort was playing the financial rube game then he can pay his "debts" according to what the law says. However, the manner in which these charges have been brought ought to cause pause for people.
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You don't mean that these charges are POLITICAL do you? Our, "he is above the frey", special council would NEVER do that.
 
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T-TownVol said:
Wait..........I thought that these charges were brought specifically to get him to flip on Trump. That is what all the left said when you guys thought you had Trump this time. Which is it?
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They are having a trial because he didn't flip. Now the trial is to prove Manaforts guilt for the crimes he has been accused. So the actual trial has nothing to do with Trump. They can't even say Trump's name. The trial has just as much to do with you as it does trump at this point.
 
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