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#27
#27
Volador said:
Wish they would eliminate the guests and Eli
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Beat me to it.

They are so desperately trying to push Eli as a personality, and truth is that he's a block of wood. But Peyton, who is brilliant, keeps on dragging him into everything he does. For that reason alone, I can't watch it.

Well, he was a mediocre QB who will be a first ballot HOFer due to two playoff runs in a 16 year career because the national media loves him for whatever reason.
 
#29
#29
Zues1 said:
Don't care for the Manning cast.
If I'm going to watch the game less distractions works for me.
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I'm with ya. I want to watch the game, not a talk show. I also can't stand the constant 2 second delay of them being able to hear that leads to everyone talking over each other.
 
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#30
#30
vols1071 said:
Peyton and Eli could be so much better but most topics are so scripted... Seeing Peyton and Eli reading scripts... They could be better just being themselves
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Agree with the scripted nonsense. Let them be themselves.

Dumping guests would be an added bonus too.
 
#32
#32
SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Exactly my point. The guy I replied to said it's not scripted and they're just watching the game.

They aren't. They're doing a TV entertainment show while a football game is on. The game is secondary to the entertainers. Anyone who can't see that is the reason TV networks get so wealthy.
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First, I’m not a guy. I’m a gal. ☺️ I see what you mean about it being scripted. I thought you meant they were reading cue cards or something. My bad.
Peyton does NOTHING without being fully prepared.
 
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#37
SpecialKVolfan20 said:
First, I’m not a guy. I’m a gal. ☺️ I see what you mean about it being scripted. I thought you meant they were reading cue cards or something. My bad.
Peyton does NOTHING without being fully prepared.
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Sorry, ma'am. They're reading some of the stuff. Peyton is better at making it look real but if you watch Eli you'll see him looking at the notes in front of him quite a bit.

Personally, I like it better when they have other QBs or pro players and actually spend more time analyzing the plays, trying to predict the plays, etc. I'd like a more technical show but that wouldn't sell ads so there's lots of fluff. It's still better than the usual MNF guys.
 
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#38
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sorry, ma'am. They're reading some of the stuff. Peyton is better at making it look real but if you watch Eli you'll see him looking at the notes in front of him quite a bit.

Personally, I like it better when they have other QBs or pro players and actually spend more time analyzing the plays, trying to predict the plays, etc. I'd like a more technical show but that wouldn't sell ads so there's lots of fluff. It's still better than the usual MNF guys.
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ESPN commentators and anchors have notes in front of them too. They're just more experienced.
 
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sami said:
Beat me to it.

They are so desperately trying to push Eli as a personality, and truth is that he's a block of wood. But Peyton, who is brilliant, keeps on dragging him into everything he does. For that reason alone, I can't watch it.

Well, he was a mediocre QB who will be a first ballot HOFer due to two playoff runs in a 16 year career because the national media loves him for whatever reason.
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Mediocre is a huge stretch for sure. You can discount them but Super Bowl wins are Super Bowl wins and he has two in two tries, including over an undefeated New England team. Additionally he had many winning seasons, has a good record, and made the Pro Bowl a few times.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Sorry, ma'am. They're reading some of the stuff. Peyton is better at making it look real but if you watch Eli you'll see him looking at the notes in front of him quite a bit.

Personally, I like it better when they have other QBs or pro players and actually spend more time analyzing the plays, trying to predict the plays, etc. I'd like a more technical show but that wouldn't sell ads so there's lots of fluff. It's still better than the usual MNF guys.
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Agree, although sometimes when they delve into a player's past it can be pretty funny.
 
#42
#42
It won't happen, but I would like to see them bring Terry Bradshaw on and ask him about his country music career. He literally walked out fo the broadcast booth with Aikman and Buck and never came back. :D

To be fair, it was the last game of the season and near the end of the game, so I suspect him no longer being in the booth had more to do with his contract not getting renewed, but he absolutely went AWOL at the end of the game. It was hilarious.
 
#44
#44
BanditVol said:
Agree, although sometimes when they delve into a player's past it can be pretty funny.
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Most of us have probably had people over sometimes and virtually ignored the game because the game was less interesting than the discussion in the room. At other times, the game keeps us pretty quiet.

I'd like to see the Manningcast flow like Carson did on the Tonight Show in the earlier days and "bump" a guest and not call them out if things went long with another guest because they were rolling.

If the game or a guest is rolling with Peyton and Eli, they should have the ability to "audible" and keep a guest longer or have no more guests and focus on the game. That will never happen but I think it would be a quirky addition to the format.
 
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#45
#45
BanditVol said:
Mediocre is a huge stretch for sure. You can discount them but Super Bowl wins are Super Bowl wins and he has two in two tries, including over an undefeated New England team. Additionally he had many winning seasons, has a good record, and made the Pro Bowl a few times.
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Winning seasons? In 16 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times. In the four playoff years other than the two Super Bowls he was 0-4. He has a career .500 record, a decidedly mediocre 83 QB rating, and a 1.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio, when any good QB is at least 2 to 1.

I watched his entire career, living in the NY area. His most impressive stat was games played, as he was never hurt, so he accumulated passing yardage in a pass happy era. He didn't suck, but if his name wasn't Manning and he had the exact same career out of NY he wouldn't be an afterthought as far as the HOF.
 
#46
#46
sami said:
Winning seasons? In 16 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times. In the four playoff years other than the two Super Bowls he was 0-4. He has a career .500 record, a decidedly mediocre 83 QB rating, and a 1.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio, when any good QB is at least 2 to 1.

I watched his entire career, living in the NY area. His most impressive stat was games played, as he was never hurt, so he accumulated passing yardage in a pass happy era. He didn't suck, but if his name wasn't Manning and he had the exact same career out of NY he wouldn't be an afterthought as far as the HOF.
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You need to get with the program. All that matters is Super Bowl wins! You should know this. I am serious, that is a broad consensus among fans and talking heads. I don't completely agree with it.

Those other stats you cite actually are good for me to hear. I have an annoying friend, actually my best friend from collage, who thinks that Eli is better than Peyton. And yes, he is a die hard Vol fan. Actually I was able eventually to get him to admit it wasn't true, or at least shut up about it.

But.... next time we talk I may try to bait him into saying it again just so I can clobber him with those stats. LOL!
 
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sami said:
Winning seasons? In 16 seasons he made the playoffs 6 times. In the four playoff years other than the two Super Bowls he was 0-4. He has a career .500 record, a decidedly mediocre 83 QB rating, and a 1.5 to 1 TD to INT ratio, when any good QB is at least 2 to 1.

I watched his entire career, living in the NY area. His most impressive stat was games played, as he was never hurt, so he accumulated passing yardage in a pass happy era. He didn't suck, but if his name wasn't Manning and he had the exact same career out of NY he wouldn't be an afterthought as far as the HOF.
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Also for the 500 thing you have to allow that in his last years the Giants had zero supporting cast, and that biased his stats. His last 4-5 years were in fact very mediocre, but that wasn't entirely on him. And I don't want to hear about OBJ or whatever the initials are, that guy was totally overated. Make one spectacular catch for the highlight reel and you are annointed the next Jerry Rice. Don't even get me started on that guy. :p
 
#48
#48
BanditVol said:
Also for the 500 thing you have to allow that in his last years the Giants had zero supporting cast, and that biased his stats. His last 4-5 years were in fact very mediocre, but that wasn't entirely on him. And I don't want to hear about OBJ or whatever the initials are, that guy was totally overated. Make one spectacular catch for the highlight reel and you are annointed the next Jerry Rice. Don't even get me started on that guy. :p
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If it wasn't one excuse it was another, but the media always found a way to let poor Eli off the hook. They guy never elevated a team, period, which is the sign of a great QB. Brady had one great WR (Moss) for a season, and a great TE (Gronk) - he made Branch, Edelman, and Amendola what they were. Eli never made players better.

The two years they had a killer front 7 on defense they made playoff runs - Eli was average during the first run and good during the second one, but had receivers (Burress, Smith, Manningham) making highlight catches throughout - helmet catch on 3rd and forever, anyone? If they hadn't gone on that run in 2007, Manning and Coughlin were about to be shown the door.
 
#49
#49
BanditVol said:
You need to get with the program. All that matters is Super Bowl wins! You should know this. I am serious, that is a broad consensus among fans and talking heads. I don't completely agree with it.

Those other stats you cite actually are good for me to hear. I have an annoying friend, actually my best friend from collage, who thinks that Eli is better than Peyton. And yes, he is a die hard Vol fan. Actually I was able eventually to get him to admit it wasn't true, or at least shut up about it.

But.... next time we talk I may try to bait him into saying it again just so I can clobber him with those stats. LOL!
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The UT thing aside, the mere idea of Eli being in the same stratosphere as Peyton is beyond comical. Go back and watch some video of Peyton with the Colts - extraordinary. I was an NFL junkie up until the politics and emasculation of the game became too much, and watched both guys' careers. It isn't even worth a discussion. Go look at Peyton's W-L, QB rating, and TD/INT ratio, much better indicators of a QB's greatness than accumulated numbers.

An example of how Peyton could elevate a team - he signed with an average, underachieving Denver team and turned the same group into a juggernaut, getting to two and winning one SB. That's something Eli couldn't have done in a million years.
 
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