Mark Dantonio announced he is stepping down as Michigan State's football coach

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RDU VOL#14 said:
In the pecking order I’d agree, but Michigan State has a much better history than South Carolina. Having already been to a CFP they have a much higher ceiling than South Carolina. It’ll be interesting to see how much the program takes a hit now that Dantonio is gone with the 3 big boys in B1G East on pretty solid footing . They really need to knock it out of the park with the hire or else they will become UK or South Carolina for the foreseeable future IMO.
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Michigan St will likely be a mess for several years unless they, as you said, nail it with this hire. It's really, really not a great spot on the calendar to be looking for a coach. It's a better time than the time we hired Dooley, but less than ideal to put it mildly.

They might be in the wilderness for a little bit, kind of like they were for most of the 90s and until they hired Dantonio. Michigan St is one of those schools that never really controls their own destiny. They need, to a certain extent, rivals to be down so they can be up. A really good outcome for them would be another underachieving season from Harbaugh, after which he's fired or leaves for the NFL, and then Michigan is down again.
 
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05_never_again said:
Michigan St will likely be a mess for several years unless they, as you said, nail it with this hire. It's really, really not a great spot on the calendar to be looking for a coach. It's a better time than the time we hired Dooley, but less than ideal to put it mildly.

They might be in the wilderness for a little bit, kind of like they were for most of the 90s and until they hired Dantonio. Michigan St is one of those schools that never really controls their own destiny. They need, to a certain extent, rivals to be down so they can be up. A really good outcome for them would be another underachieving season from Harbaugh, after which he's fired or leaves for the NFL, and then Michigan is down again.
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I think the most likely outcome is like you said, they are lost in the wilderness . It’s not like they were good this year. Unless Fickle decides to leave Cincy I don’t see a clear good hire. I don’t know what to think of Michigan and Harbaugh. If the right job in the NFL opens I could see him taking it, but I doubt Michigan would ever fire him . Maybe if they lost to Michigan State next year haha.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I think the most likely outcome is like you said, they are lost in the wilderness . It’s not like they were good this year. Unless Fickle decides to leave Cincy I don’t see a clear good hire. I don’t know what to think of Michigan and Harbaugh. If the right job in the NFL opens I could see him taking it, but I doubt Michigan would ever fire him . Maybe if they lost to Michigan State next year haha.
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You're right. I think Michigan would fire him, or at least start driving him really crazy and motivate him to leave, if he starts losing games to teams other than the really good teams on their schedule. Last year their losses were to teams that finished #11, #9, #3, and #8 in the country. Very similar deal in all of his other seasons too. It's frustrating to their fans that he can't consistently win those games, but you also can't really become enraged at him either. Say he loses to all of the good teams next year, plus drops one he shouldn't (like to Mich St, Maryland, or Rutgers, etc.), and that could be it.

Harbaugh is in a similar position to Jimbo Fisher where his team certainly isn't bad, but he isn't at a school that is OK with "not bad." Plus he's being paid like a coach who has already won a bunch of hardware.
 
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Member when Fickell was a sacrificial lamb to wait out a year before Urban?
 
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Dantonio had a good run at MSU and likely over-achieved for a good portion of it. He owned Michigan, which really is the most satisfying result at MSU, and won 3 Big10 titles. That’s pretty much hitting the ceiling at MSU. Who knows what’s going to come out about him, but he arguably did more with less than any coach in the country for a good stretch.
 
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VolinMichigan said:
Dantonio had a good run at MSU and likely over-achieved for a good portion of it. He owned Michigan, which really is the most satisfying result at MSU, and won 3 Big10 titles. That’s pretty much hitting the ceiling at MSU. Who knows what’s going to come out about him, but he arguably did more with less than any coach in the country for a good stretch.
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Yep. That run he went on from 2010-15 was really impressive. He finished with at least 11 wins 5 times in 6 years, 2 outright Big Ten titles (narrowly lost another), a CFP berth, 3 seasons with a top 6 finish. Went 8-5 against Michigan overall.

He didn't finish strong though, and of course they'll be a cloud over him now with this lawsuit.
 
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butchna said:
Member when Fickell was a sacrificial lamb to wait out a year before Urban?
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Imagine if we had done that with Kippy Brown instead of hiring Dooley. What a different landscape we would have now... I think The butterfly effect of College football coaching is unlike any other profession.
 
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Fickell staying.... says he is very content at Cincinnati and is building something there. Guy is a tough good coach just like his OSU D-line teammate Mike Vrabel.
 
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