Mark Ingram and RBs in the First Round

#51
#51
nbakerld said:
He was much better than average, but still overrated.
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No. He was extremely average. Had Troy Aikman been drafted by a huge number of other teams, then you would hardly know his know right now. The fact that he's in the Hall of Fame is a joke.
 
#52
#52
Vol423 said:
No. He was extremely average. Had Troy Aikman been drafted by a huge number of other teams, then you would hardly know his know right now. The fact that he's in the Hall of Fame is a joke.
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Unfortunately there is nothing to prove that is true. All we know is every QB to win 3 SB's is in the HOF. Aikman > Bradshaw. That's for damn sure.
 
#54
#54
Couple good points I heard today on Chuck and Chernoff on 680 in Atlanta:

1. Mark Ingram's running style in college has been based on being stronger than a lot of the guys he plays against. While it's fun to watch such a physical player, that doesn't necessarily translate well because he won't be stronger than NFL linebackers and he's taken a lot of pounding in Tuscaloosa. Hence the problems with what's now rumored to be an arthritic knee.

2. It's that time of the year where teams straight up lie about who they do and don't like. All the questions about his health could be BS. One team hoping to cause another to second guess itself.
 
#55
#55
Vol423 said:
Did you guys actually live through the 80's and 90's? For anybody that did, the answer for this phenomenon is obvious. The reason that the NFL is more of a passing league now (and it IS) is that the league doesn't let defensive backs mug the wide receivers anymore like they did in the 80's and early 90's.
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This is a very good point. The NFL is vastly different than it was back in the day.
 
#56
#56
From Greg Cosell, producer of "NFL Matchup":

Mark Ingram, RB, Alabama (late-first round, or high-second): Naturally strong running. Powerful, with good downhill instincts. Excellent balance and body control, with deceptive lateral agility and explosiveness. Good feet in the hole. There's a toughness about his running style that's impressive. Workmanlike, naturally powerful. Not fluid or overly patient, but a very workmanlike professional runner. Needs a lot of work on his blitz pickup. No physicality as a blocker. I don't see the comparisons to Emmitt Smith -- not as shifty or laterally explosive.

More info from Peter King's article - Steve Sabol battles brain tumor; 2011 NFL Draft prospects evaluated - Peter King - SI.com
 
#57
#57
Vol423 said:
Attempts don't mean squat. Look at the trend of total rushing yards over time and then the trend of total passing yards over time. Yards are more important than attempts when arguing whether or not the league has become more pass-oriented (and it has).
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Why? And why didn't you produce numbers on yards to support what you are saying?

1995 = 6.0 Net YPA and 3.9 YPC
1996 = 5.8 Net YPA and 3.8 YPC

2009 = 6.2 Net YPA and 4.2 YPC
2010 = 6.2 Net YPA and 4.2 YPC

So if both carries and pass attempts are increasing, and both YPA and YPC are increasing, then it means yards on the ground and in the air are both increasing.

It amazes me how people inaccurately perceive what is actually going on in football. We think we see the trends right before our eyes but the stats don't support our observations.
 
#60
#60
nbakerld said:
League Average 1995 = 6.0 Net YPA and 3.9 YPC
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2000 Ravens = 5.1 and 4.3
2001 Pats = 5.9 and 3.8
2002 Bucs = 5.7 and 3.8
2003 Pats = 6.0 and 3.4
2004 Pats = 7.0 and 4.1
2005 Steelers = 7.0 and 4.1
2006 Colts = 7.5 and 4.0
2007 Giants = 5.5 and 4.6
2008 Steelers = 5.9 and 3.7
2009 Saints = 7.7 and 4.5
2010 Packers = 7.1 and 3.8

I don't think there is any discernible trend there.
 
#61
#61
nbakerld said:
2000 Ravens = 5.1 and 4.3
2001 Pats = 5.9 and 3.8
2002 Bucs = 5.7 and 3.8
2003 Pats = 6.0 and 3.4
2004 Pats = 7.0 and 4.1
2005 Steelers = 7.0 and 4.1
2006 Colts = 7.5 and 4.0
2007 Giants = 5.5 and 4.6
2008 Steelers = 5.9 and 3.7
2009 Saints = 7.7 and 4.5
2010 Packers = 7.1 and 3.8

I don't think there is any discernible trend there.
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Interesting stat: 12 of the top 16 teams in yards per carry last season did not make the playoffs. In fact, a number of them were among the worst teams in the NFL.

9 of the top 16 teams in yards per pass attempt did not make the playoffs. The two teams that played in the Super Bowl ranked second an third in yards per attempt.
 
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