Martin Approval Thread

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#28
#28
you will get Zo for at least 5 seasons. The team will win bigger next year with Maymon back while adding Hubbs. The young guys will have another year of experience with McRae and Golden at their best. Fix the point guard thing is all they lack.

This team was already lacking to start the season without Maymon and Tatum. Then add in Golden and McBee's injuries and you have added pressure on the O.
 
#31
#31
The one take away from this game, for me, is that the this team finally played like they really wanted to win.
 
#32
#32
Good. Ness.

The fact that people are actually calling for CCM's head already after not even 2 years tells you all you need to know about the pure ****tiness of Tennessee's fan base.

No patience and no support.

IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN 2 YEARS!!!

When Butch Jones finishes 7-5 in his second year, I bet people start calling for his head. :eek:lol:
 
#33
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utfan72408 said:
Good. Ness.

The fact that people are actually calling for CCM's head already after not even 2 years tells you all you need to know about the pure ****tiness of Tennessee's fan base.

No patience and no support.

IT HASN'T EVEN BEEN 2 YEARS!!!

When Butch Jones finishes 7-5 in his second year, I bet people start calling for his head. :eek:lol:
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If won 10 games some people still would be calling for his head because he isn't Gruden.
 
#35
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mreed90 said:
If won 10 games some people still would be calling for his head because he isn't Gruden.
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My point exactly. Some people were a little too spoiled by the good years, for both sports. They don't understand that programs are built over time.
 
#36
#36
Who ever says fire must be fans of a different team than the Tennessee Volunteers that I am aware of. The team I know of and watch, well... I think I remember that team starting behind the 8 ball this season missing a WHAT?? an all SEC player/Leader of the entire team . I said it before and I stand by it... Maymon is the difference we would have in all of these games.
Now these young men are faced with stepping up and playing to elite SEC players and learning on the fly because of injury...all the while going through line up changes to see who fits where better and who plays with who better. I can actually see many on this team starting to play solid together and I think this season will be much like last. I think we win more SEC games than any of us feel we will. I think we make a run in the SEC tourney.
Bottom line is that Conzo is not playing bad ball given what he actually started with.
 
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#37
#37
FIRE HIM. UT can find anyone that can lead them to the NIT every year, why not try and find another solid coach and make a Pearl-like run? I'd call it a gamble, but what are you really losing firing Martin?
 
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#38
#38
Alright I had to post because I just can't understand those hating on Cuonzo this early. I mean we lost over 75% of our scoring from 2010, we were projected to finish bottom of the pack in the sec, miss out on any form of post season play, and fight for a winning record last year. Needless to say, Zo an co. far exceeded those expectations. In addition, the Pearl debacle left recruiting for 2011 in shambles, but we were able to salvage two solid four year contributors in yemi and josh out of that class (plus Stokes). Zo and co have been making progress from a recruiting standpoint with the signing of Hubbs and hopefully a PG. IMO this team simply lacks senior leadership, and this is where the loss of Maymon and even Tatum hurts (For all the Pearl lover's out there, I feel this falls squarely on him). Next year will be an important year for Zo and we should see a solid product, but for goodness sakes get off the guys back already. There's my 2 cents.
 
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#39
#39
Have some patience, one or two players in basketball can make a difference. Some of you saying maymon isnt an excuse is laughable. Martin inherited a mess left by pearl. I loved pearl, but the ncaa violations and misses in recruiting didnt leave martin in a good situation. Put maymon on this team and i would bet 3 or 4 more wins. Sit back and have some patience. If martin doesnt get it done next year with maymon back and the recruits coming in then he deserves to be canned. Until then he will be the coach and i suggest you support the team like a true fan.
 
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#40
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ChiliDog said:
FIRE HIM. UT can find anyone that can lead them to the NIT every year, why not try and find another solid coach and make a Pearl-like run? I'd call it a gamble, but what are you really losing firing Martin?
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Well for one you'd be losing some pretty outstanding recruiting. Tennessee doesn't get many 5-star players, and Hubbs will be Cuanzo's second in 3 years! Solid, huh?

How can you really say he's been given a fair chance if we fire him now? Let's be honest, Pearl didn't leave him with much. It's called REBUILDING. You rebuild in order to make the tournament again. We're on the way up, we just aren't there yet.
 
#41
#41
The same arguments to keep Martin, are the same ones people said about Gillispie at UK.
"He inherited a mess, he needs more time." or "We're just a player or 2 away from being great."

Some coaches can thrive at this level and some arent made for it. If you're willing to believe Martin is going to hang another elite 8 banner or get UT in the top 10, EVER, I'd like to sell you oceanfront property in Arizona.
 
#42
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utfan72408 said:
Well for one you'd be losing some pretty outstanding recruiting. Tennessee doesn't get many 5-star players, and Hubbs will be Cuanzo's second in 3 years! Solid, huh?

How can you really say he's been given a fair chance if we fire him now? Let's be honest, Pearl didn't leave him with much. It's called REBUILDING. You rebuild in order to make the tournament again. We're on the way up, we just aren't there yet.
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So you're satisfied with just two 5-star athletes in 3 years? He could recruit one every year, its not going to make a difference. Bottom line, thers no light. If you're satisfied with the product now, then keep him. He's not a top notch coach or developer.
 
#43
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ChiliDog said:
The same arguments to keep Martin, are the same ones people said about Gillispie at UK.
"He inherited a mess, he needs more time." or "We're just a player or 2 away from being great."

Some coaches can thrive at this level and some arent made for it. If you're willing to believe Martin is going to hang another elite 8 banner or get UT in the top 10, EVER, I'd like to sell you oceanfront property in Arizona.
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This is just plain stupid, you use one example to support your point when the fact of the matter is that there are many examples of it working out both ways. The fact of the matter is that like people have been saying in this thread the evidence does not exist to be able to make a conclusive judgement either way.
 
#44
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ChiliDog said:
The same arguments to keep Martin, are the same ones people said about Gillispie at UK.
"He inherited a mess, he needs more time." or "We're just a player or 2 away from being great."

Some coaches can thrive at this level and some arent made for it. If you're willing to believe Martin is going to hang another elite 8 banner or get UT in the top 10, EVER, I'd like to sell you oceanfront property in Arizona.
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Tom Izzo missed the tournament in both of his first 2 years at Michigan State. He was an abysmal 16-16 overall in his first year, with a slight improvement to 17-12 in his second. HE HASN'T MISSED THE NCAA TOURNAMENT SINCE (that's 15 seasons).

Billy Donovan missed the tournament in both of his first 2 years at Florida. He was an abysmal 13-17 overall in his first year, with a slight improvement to 14-15 in his second. He has missed the tournament only twice since then (that's 14 seasons).

Tom Crean is perhaps the best example. He 'inherited a mess.' He had 8 total conference wins in his first 3 years, with 20 or more losses in each of those years as well. Didn't even make the NIT once! Now he's got Indiana back at the top. Further, I don't remember anyone calling for his head after the third terrible year. Their fans, unlike you, understood that, in fact, there IS something to be said for 'inheriting a mess' and 'needing time.' They, unlike you, understood the concept of 'rebuilding.'

I could go on; there are more examples like these. John Beilein missed in 2 of his first 3 years at Michigan, Thad Matta missed in 2 of his first 4 at OSU. You get it. I'll stop here, though there are probably more.

CCM may or may not be the answer, but the point I'm making to you is that there is no way to be sure as of yet. It's simply not as cut and dry as you attempt to make it. Period.
 
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#45
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ChiliDog said:
The same arguments to keep Martin, are the same ones people said about Gillispie at UK.
"He inherited a mess, he needs more time." or "We're just a player or 2 away from being great."
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Gillispie was a Patrick Patterson injury away from being 4-0 vs. this forum's idol.

Unless you've got an elite coach lined up to replace Martin like UK did with Calipari (which won't happen), firing after 2 years is idiocy. If Martin can't make the tournament next year with Hubbs and (hopefully) a healthy Maymon, THEN he should be fired.
 
#46
#46
Thats a great argument. You also forgot Coach K, Roy Williams and Jim Calhoun. They also struggled early.

I played basketball at the college level, not D-1, but enough to study and know the game. Martin doesnt have it. The organization isnt there. Player development isnt there. Everyone lacks the basics. Its glorified prison ball. Some of the plays drawn after a timeout are a joke. I wish we could bet on this....if we could, I'd put the family nest egg on that UT will be exactly like they are next year and the following year. You'll see stretch runs and good wins, but Martin will never get UT good enough to win the SEC. The country has too many great coaches not to take a risk and hire someone who knows the game. Like I said, firing Martin is a risk.....but what are you risking? NIT appearances?
But dont worry. Unless they fall to even more pieces then they already are.....he'll win just enough games to buy him another year, then next year will be his last.
 
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#47
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ChiliDog said:
So you're satisfied with just two 5-star athletes in 3 years?
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Oh goodness. Should I not be? Tennessee isn't exactly a basketball recruiting magnet. I think he's done well to bring in 2 five-stars.

How can you say 'just' 2 five-stars in 3 years? What were you expecting exactly? 2 of them each year? From a new coach? Please. Considering the fact that he is new and, yes, the state of the program when he arrived, I'd say 2 five-stars in 3 years is VERY good work.

ChiliDog said:
He could recruit one every year, its not going to make a difference. Bottom line, thers no light. If you're satisfied with the product now, then keep him. He's not a top notch coach or developer.
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Nobody is satisfied with the product now, dude. Nobody. Everyone on this board (almost) thought that this team would be better than they are right now. I know I did. But just because we fell below expectations this year doesn't mean CCM's head should be on the chopping block!

Calipari is falling below expectations this year; despite their immense talent, that team may not make the tournament. Coaches have bad years, too. Just like any player in any sport.

One thing I do know is that last year we exceeded expectations. This year, we seem to have fallen short. I don't see how you can use that alone as the basis for your argument that he is not only not the answer, but should be fired. You don't know for sure that he's not a top-notch ANYTHING. We just can't know yet! Don't you get it?
 
#48
#48
Let me ask you this. When/If UT is exactly the same next year, will you be saying the same? That he needs more time?
 
#49
#49
SGMVols said:
Gillispie was a Patrick Patterson injury away from being 4-0 vs. this forum's idol.

Unless you've got an elite coach lined up to replace Martin like UK did with Calipari (which won't happen), firing after 2 years is idiocy. If Martin can't make the tournament next year with Hubbs and (hopefully) a healthy Maymon, THEN he should be fired.
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Perfect assessment. My thoughts exactly.
 
#50
#50
ChiliDog said:
Let me ask you this. When/If UT is exactly the same next year, will you be saying the same? That he needs more time?
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Hell no! Haha. I'll be calling for his head just like you! There's absolutely no good reason whatsoever why we shouldn't be a top team next year. Maybe not top 10, but top 3 SEC and ranked in the top 25.

No excuses next year. None. There will be too much talent and he'll have had his required rebuilding time. End of story.
 
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