Martin Approval Thread

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#51
#51
utfan72408 said:
Hell no! Haha. I'll be calling for his head just like you! There's absolutely no good reason whatsoever why we shouldn't be a top team next year. Maybe not top 10, but top 3 SEC and ranked in the top 25.

No excuses next year. None. There will be too much talent and he'll have had his required rebuilding time. End of story.
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Good, glad to see you have your boundaries. So, we half agreed....next year will be his last :)
 
#52
#52
ChiliDog said:
Thats a great argument. You also forgot Coach K, Roy Williams and Jim Calhoun. They also struggled early.

I played basketball at the college level, not D-1, but enough to study and know the game. Martin doesnt have it.
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That's just your opinion though. If you played ball, then I have to respect your opinion, and maybe you're right. But it's still just your opinion.

ChiliDog said:
The organization isnt there. Player development isnt there. Everyone lacks the basics. Its glorified prison ball. Some of the plays drawn after a timeout are a joke.
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I admit I don't totally disagree with this part. I'd be lying if I said I didn't have certain fears concerning CCM. You have illustrated them here. There are certain red flags that worry me, these first and foremost. I will not deny that.

ChiliDog said:
The country has too many great coaches not to take a risk and hire someone who knows the game. Like I said, firing Martin is a risk.....but what are you risking? NIT appearances?
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I already answered this once, but I'll say it again: you'd be risking some pretty darn good recruiting.
 
#53
#53
ChiliDog said:
Good, glad to see you have your boundaries. So, we half agreed....next year will be his last :)
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Hahaha. Glad we worked it out... somewhat. I have my hopes for next year, and I have my fears. We'll see which ones come true! :rock:
 
#55
#55
With Maymon out - still on the fence -- however slowing down the Offense and missing free throws was just pathetic --- Mcbee needs to lose the beatnik look and grow up
 
#60
#60
My alma mater has become a cesspool of mediocrity in every sport, maybe baseball the exception. Why is it the possible exception coaching that's why. We have shopped at Goodwill hoping to find a diamond in the pocket of a jacket. You get what you pay for and most of us are soooooooo tired of losing and seeing poor or worse recruiting. Vandy, Ole Miss, we are the worst sports program in the SEC right now.
 
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#61
#61
Fijivol72 said:
My alma mater has become a cesspool of mediocrity in every sport, maybe baseball the exception. Why is it the possible exception coaching that's why. We have shopped at Goodwill hoping to fin a diamond in the pocket of a jacket. You get what you pay for and most of us are soooooooo tired of losing and seeing poor or worse recruiting. Vandy, Ole Miss, we are the worst sports program in the SEC right now.
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Actually tennis is very good right now. But I see your point and agree with it, it's very frustrating. We just have to keep in mind that it won't last forever... Vol athletics will return...
 
#62
#62
ChiliDog said:
FIRE HIM. UT can find anyone that can lead them to the NIT every year, why not try and find another solid coach and make a Pearl-like run? I'd call it a gamble, but what are you really losing firing Martin?
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If you honestly have to ask that question you really don't understand how these things work.
 
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#63
#63
martin took a team last year that had no business being second in the east and made it his. there should be no talk of firing him yet in less than 2 seasons...this year has been a lot of "almosts," usually attributed to our lack of offense. arguably our best player has been hurt so im not extremely concerned with the end record this year, as long as this team shows great improvement from start to finish (something that can't be assessed til the end of the season)
 
#64
#64
He's had 2 years to find someone who can handle the ball and not done it. By all accounts he hasn't found someone who can do it next year yet. 21 turnovers last night! Jordan had 9 of those. Should he really be handling the ball or working to get it from someone else like Bobby Knight suggested last night. Martin will get next year, but I too am tired of the "wait till next year" mantra for our athletic teams. No way we should have lost that game last night. That has to fall to the coach. McBrick or McAirball, whatever his name is, shouldn't see the floor. There is a reason he was a walk on. Why is it Kenny Hall is in the game at crunch time and Yemi is not? Why don't we switch on screens when the biggest punk in the conference is hot and get a hand in his face? Why has there been no development with Stokes? His best game was his first game when they didn't have shoes to fit him.
 
#65
#65
where is this improvement you speak of? Now you believe what you want but no one with a pair of eyes is seeing what you are spouting.
 
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#66
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Mr. Lofton said:
He's had 2 years to find someone who can handle the ball and not done it. By all accounts he hasn't found someone who can do it next year yet. 21 turnovers last night! Jordan had 9 of those. Should he really be handling the ball or working to get it from someone else like Bobby Knight suggested last night. Martin will get next year, but I too am tired of the "wait till next year" mantra for our athletic teams. No way we should have lost that game last night. That has to fall to the coach. McBrick or McAirball, whatever his name is, shouldn't see the floor. There is a reason he was a walk on. Why is it Kenny Hall is in the game at crunch time and Yemi is not? Why don't we switch on screens when the biggest punk in the conference is hot and get a hand in his face? Why has there been no development with Stokes? His best game was his first game when they didn't have shoes to fit him.
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The issue with "why is McRae playing PG" is that if you don't put him there, who do you play at PG? It's why I've been saying that golden returning to form is key for this team to get back on track. He may not have been elite, but he was better than anything else we have.
 
#67
#67
Love martin as a person, and what he's been through.. but im not sure he is what we are looking for, or will make it here, this team has regressed, players arent playing up to their potential, lack of recruiting of a point guard, and a shooting guard.. im afraid he is another dooley..
 
#69
#69
aredfox28 said:
Love martin as a person, and what he's been through.. but im not sure he is what we are looking for, or will make it here, this team has regressed, players arent playing up to their potential, lack of recruiting of a point guard, and a shooting guard.. im afraid he is another dooley..
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Seems to me that I remember Pearl didn't have success recruiting a point guard. Guess we should have fired him after two years because of the lack of a quality point guard. Get real folks, Martin is putting this team in position to win games. If the players can't hit a free throw or choke at crunch time, it's not Martin's fault. He will be fine if he could get some support instead of the constant "fire the coach mentality of many UT fans". If we would support our programs as much as we complain, I have no doubt we would be much better in all athletic programs. We aren't KY, DUKE, or North Carolina. He will bring winning basketball to this university with a little patience and support.
 
#70
#70
bleedingTNorange said:
The issue with "why is McRae playing PG" is that if you don't put him there, who do you play at PG? It's why I've been saying that golden returning to form is key for this team to get back on track. He may not have been elite, but he was better than anything else we have.
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I agree he is better than anything else we have. That's my problem - we all know he isn't that good at ball handling either. CCM didn't have to watch much film, when he was hired, of Golden as a Freshman to figure out he should not be your primary ball handler. I've heard CCM speak of protecting the ball and maximizing posessions, but we will not win games turning the ball over 20+ times. Hopefully, he can find someone that can play the point next year. I don't understand that part of it. Look at a team like Belmont. They've got plenty of guys who can handle the ball and shoot it too. What else are you looking for in a point guard? They shouldn't be that hard to find. They might not be an all SEC performer, but when you have those guys at other positions you don't need an all SEC PG, just someone who can get them the ball.
 
#71
#71
martin is a good coach he preaches defense they practice defense he cant step out on the court and show the guys how to defend another oppenet in practice they most likely defend the same guy while practicin with each other which means they kno there moves but when u get on the court some guys can do huge things and blow our players away its life it happens if our guys dont wanna learn from it then we will loose basically what im sayin is you can take a horse to the river but you cant make it drink the water JMO
 
#72
#72
utfan72408 said:
Tom Izzo missed the tournament in both of his first 2 years at Michigan State. He was an abysmal 16-16 overall in his first year, with a slight improvement to 17-12 in his second. HE HASN'T MISSED THE NCAA TOURNAMENT SINCE (that's 15 seasons).

Billy Donovan missed the tournament in both of his first 2 years at Florida. He was an abysmal 13-17 overall in his first year, with a slight improvement to 14-15 in his second. He has missed the tournament only twice since then (that's 14 seasons).

Tom Crean is perhaps the best example. He 'inherited a mess.' He had 8 total conference wins in his first 3 years, with 20 or more losses in each of those years as well. Didn't even make the NIT once! Now he's got Indiana back at the top. Further, I don't remember anyone calling for his head after the third terrible year. Their fans, unlike you, understood that, in fact, there IS something to be said for 'inheriting a mess' and 'needing time.' They, unlike you, understood the concept of 'rebuilding.'

I could go on; there are more examples like these. John Beilein missed in 2 of his first 3 years at Michigan, Thad Matta missed in 2 of his first 4 at OSU. You get it. I'll stop here, though there are probably more.

CCM may or may not be the answer, but the point I'm making to you is that there is no way to be sure as of yet. It's simply not as cut and dry as you attempt to make it. Period.
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Not a huge supporter of CCM but this post is spot on.
 
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#73
#73
BasketvolsFan said:
Seems to me that I remember Pearl didn't have success recruiting a point guard. Guess we should have fired him after two years because of the lack of a quality point guard.
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But, Pearl's swimming pool for little visits was after his first two years wasn't it?
 
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