Martin making Vols better....

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jp1 said:
So if you were to get busted with a dui and simple posession it somehow becomes the fault of the dean of the college of law?
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That is a pathetic comparison. It's not hating Pearl to just point out the fact that Pearl really had no control of his players off the court.
 
#27
#27
There's only so much control you can have over the players. Pearl's problem was with taking too many high risk guys which.
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#29
#29
Heebs said:
GREAT article. This program has needed some discipline for a long time. It will show up on the court.

Of course the rubes won't appreciate it, but it will cause us to win games more consistently, when it matters.
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So I guess were going to the final four next year? I mean if we win games more consistently when it matters and we we went to the round of eight last year. :crazy:
 
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bleedorange1983 said:
If you want to criticize Pearl for his undiciplined program then criticize the punishments he imposed, not for the players getting themselves in trouble. The players knew they were doing wrong and they broke the law anyways. If anything, Pearl is a poor judge of character. These are young adults that are responsible for their own actions.
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Didn't he cover up a failed drug test by stating that Williams had a back injury? Also, he didn't really have a choice in dismissing Tyler Smith, that decision was basically made for him. You can call Pearl many things, but I don't think disciplinarian is one of them.
 
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Mattlock said:
Didn't he cover up a failed drug test by stating that Williams had a back injury? Also, he didn't really have a choice in dismissing Tyler Smith, that decision was basically made for him. You can call Pearl many things, but I don't think disciplinarian is one of them.
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Where do you people get this crap? All drug test are reported to the UT NCAA compliance office and to AD Hamiliton according to the News Sentinel. It is impossible to cover up a drug test. UT never releases drug test results to the public. What UT says is the player is suspended for a violation of team rules. That can be other things, but is often drug use. Such nonsense as your post are common on this forum.
 
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Mattlock said:
Didn't he cover up a failed drug test by stating that Williams had a back injury? Also, he didn't really have a choice in dismissing Tyler Smith, that decision was basically made for him. You can call Pearl many things, but I don't think disciplinarian is one of them.
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If the author would have commented on Pearl covering up the "failed drug test" or lying to the NCAA it would have made alot more sense. He didn't. He pretty much blamed Pearl for his players' arrests. That is what I have a problem with. Like I said earlier, people should criticize Pearl for his imposed punishments, not for his players getting arrested.
 
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as a junior member one thing i do notice about this forum is some of the grey hairs have attitude problems
 
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LawVol13 said:
It tells you the truth, that Pearl was far from running a disciplined program.
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Friends, before all this NCAA trouble started, this entire board was pro-Pearl.

Disciplined...undisciplined...we just didn't care. During football season, when Coach Pearl appeared on the big screen approximately 100,000 people showed off their best, deepest "BRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCEEE!"

Yes, Bruce needed to be fired...yes, there is reason to be optimistic about Coach Martin...but all these potshots are hypocritical.

Coach Pearl is a good man who screwed up & lost his job. It's not complicated...and neither is the fact that he brought the mens basketball program out of mediocrity.

In the end, Bruce blew it...he knows it...but the man could recruit. He could coach, too. Ramar Smith, Duke Crews, Tyler Smith & Major Wingate can attest to Bruce being a bit more than lax in the area of discipline.

Bruce is gone & needed to go. But...why can't we cheer on the new guy without blasting the former?
 
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TommyOler said:
Friends, before all this NCAA trouble started, this entire board was pro-Pearl.

Disciplined...undisciplined...we just didn't care. During football season, when Coach Pearl appeared on the big screen approximately 100,000 people showed off their best, deepest "BRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCEEE!"

Yes, Bruce needed to be fired...yes, there is reason to be optimistic about Coach Martin...but all these potshots are hypocritical.

Coach Pearl is a good man who screwed up & lost his job. It's not complicated...and neither is the fact that he brought the mens basketball program out of mediocrity.

In the end, Bruce blew it...he knows it...but the man could recruit. He could coach, too. Ramar Smith, Duke Crews, Tyler Smith & Major Wingate can attest to Bruce being a bit more than lax in the area of discipline.

Bruce is gone & needed to go. But...why can't we cheer on the new guy without blasting the former?
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Agree with your post but haters are gonna hate no matter.
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#38
#38
I agree. It's time to move on. Bruce is no longer the coach and has put himself in coaching purgatory. It's time to support our new coaching staff and not dwell on the past staff and their many issues.
 
#39
#39
TommyOler said:
Bruce is gone & needed to go. But...why can't we cheer on the new guy without blasting the former?
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This was in response to an article that said the same thing. I didn't pull the statement out of thin air just to say.
 
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LawVol13 said:
This was in response to an article that said the same thing. I didn't pull the statement out of thin air just to say.
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But the article didnt state any facts. In my opinion it took a few pot shots that was unnecessary. Either way I think we should just move on.
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#42
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LawVol13 said:
That is a pathetic comparison. It's not hating Pearl to just point out the fact that Pearl really had no control of his players off the court.
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There isn't a coach in America that has control of his players off the court. If you had played any sport in college, you would know this fact, but it's another opportunity for you to get in a jab at Bruce Pearl, a fellow you never liked.
 
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TommyOler said:
Friends, before all this NCAA trouble started, this entire board was pro-Pearl.

Disciplined...undisciplined...we just didn't care. During football season, when Coach Pearl appeared on the big screen approximately 100,000 people showed off their best, deepest "BRRRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCEEE!"

Yes, Bruce needed to be fired...yes, there is reason to be optimistic about Coach Martin...but all these potshots are hypocritical.

Coach Pearl is a good man who screwed up & lost his job. It's not complicated...and neither is the fact that he brought the mens basketball program out of mediocrity.

In the end, Bruce blew it...he knows it...but the man could recruit. He could coach, too. Ramar Smith, Duke Crews, Tyler Smith & Major Wingate can attest to Bruce being a bit more than lax in the area of discipline.

Bruce is gone & needed to go. But...why can't we cheer on the new guy without blasting the former?
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Mostly because some of Pearl's most ardent supporters are still so bitter that they can't stop shouting about what a horrible hire Martin was, how the black curtains are going back up, etc etc., even in threads that have nothing to do with Pearl. So the fans who supported the firing retaliate, and it escalates. The Pearl firing is going to hang over this forum as long as the Fulmer one has -- ie, apparently indefinitely.

Apparently Tennessee can't ever just have a normal, simple coaching change like everybody else.
 
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Vercingetorix said:
Mostly because some of Pearl's most ardent supporters are still so bitter that they can't stop shouting about what a horrible hire Martin was, how the black curtains are going back up, etc etc., even in threads that have nothing to do with Pearl. So the fans who supported the firing retaliate, and it escalates. The Pearl firing is going to hang over this forum as long as the Fulmer one has -- ie, apparently indefinitely.

Apparently Tennessee can't ever just have a normal, simple coaching change like everybody else.
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The Pearl debate rages on because many fans didn't start watching Tennessee basketball until 2005 or so.

IMO, the main reason for the Fulmer debate is many of our fans are so pissed about Kiffin leaving that they try to blame him for all of Tennessee's problems. Other fans want to blame problems on Fulmer. That debate will probably settle down a little in a year or two once the roster no longer has any of Fulmer's players.

Both debates will probably only stop once after both teams succeed again, regardless of how many years/coaches that takes.
 
#46
#46
Why can't our fanbase move on seamlessly like everybody else... Word of advice, coaching changes are rarely seamless with any fanbase. Unless the ousted coach was just Ron Zooking it all over the place. Go check out other fan boards for other teams looking for coaches. Division and differing views are one of the best thing about being American's. Without differing POV's, we'd be in the minority, not the majority. I think some people are a tad out of touch with reality and are stuck in the microcosm of all things UT related and spout off at the mouth without knowing how other fanbases react during coaching changes. The only time I've seen a fanbase have a relatively seamless transition in the past couple years was when CBG was ousted in favor of Coach Cal. Even then there were a lot of UK fans that were skeptical of bringing in Coach Cal due to the vacated F4 appearances.
 
#47
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Vercingetorix said:
Mostly because some of Pearl's most ardent supporters are still so bitter that they can't stop shouting about what a horrible hire Martin was, how the black curtains are going back up, etc etc., even in threads that have nothing to do with Pearl. So the fans who supported the firing retaliate, and it escalates. The Pearl firing is going to hang over this forum as long as the Fulmer one has -- ie, apparently indefinitely.

Apparently Tennessee can't ever just have a normal, simple coaching change like everybody else.
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It's mainly becaus of the FACT that the last 4 coaching changes have been anything but normal and simple.

1992: Alumni and former Vol great head coach ousted in the middle of the season and replaced with OC(another alumni) who lobbied for the job when former coach came back too soon from bypass surgery

2008: Long time head coach ousted at mid season after horrid start and second losing season in four years. Hiring of brash young Kiffin upsets a faction of fanbas

2010: Big mouth head coach heads for dream job at USC just days into new year. Much of fanbase has meltdown
and doesn't like new hire Derek Dooley

2011: Vol basketball coach fired for lying to NCAA about violations commited in 2009. Faction of fanbase extremely critical of new hire

Nope. I wouldn't call any of the changes...simple :)
 
#48
#48
bleedorange1983 said:
This comment is ridiculous. The author is really going to blame Pearl for their actions? Did Pearl give them the booze, the gun, or the drugs? That should tell you all you need to know about the author's intentions with this article. Trash.
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Dude, come on. If this was the only incident, I would tend to agree with you. But, when you take all of them into account (Raymar, Crews, etc.), there is something to be said about the lack of discipline.
 
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