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#51
#51
tvolsfan said:
The Pearl debate rages on because many fans didn't start watching Tennessee basketball until 2005 or so.

IMO, the main reason for the Fulmer debate is many of our fans are so pissed about Kiffin leaving that they try to blame him for all of Tennessee's problems. Other fans want to blame problems on Fulmer. That debate will probably settle down a little in a year or two once the roster no longer has any of Fulmer's players.

Both debates will probably only stop once after both teams succeed again, regardless of how many years/coaches that takes.
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I think the Fulmer debate is still just about Fulmer himself and would still be going on pretty much unchanged if we'd moved right to Dooley immediately after him. The pro-Fulmer camp looked at Fulmer in 2008 and said, "Lifelong Vol, bleeds orange, won a national championship, fields a (mostly) competitive team. This is our Joe Paterno. He's earned the right to go out on his own terms." The anti-Fulmer camp said, "We're barely above .500 in the SEC the next few years; we're not competitive against our two biggest rivals; we haven't won a conference championship in a decade." The anti-Fulmer camp thought the pro-Fulmer guys were chumps; the pro-Fulmer guys though the anti-Fulmer guys were heartless traitorous aholes. It doesn't matter who the next coach was, or even the coach after that; it was a giant emotional rift in the fanbase and nothing is going to bridge it until we win again.

Contrast it to the debate going on in Georgia over Richt. Richt is A) an outsider, and B) didn't win the national championship. When they dump him, they'll all rally around the next guy in about 15 minutes.

(The difference between Richt and Pearl? Cult of personality. Pearl's got it; Richt doesn't. As successful has he's been, there are no University of Richt Bulldogs.)
 
#52
#52
Vercingetorix said:
I think the Fulmer debate is still just about Fulmer himself and would still be going on pretty much unchanged if we'd moved right to Dooley immediately after him.
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I agree that's a lot of the reason for the debate, but I've spent enough time on the football forum to know that another reason for the debate is determining where to place the blame. In the offseason, it's settled down because people are optimistic and talking about Dooley and the young new guys. However, I think we'll see more of the same debate the next time we get killed.
 
#54
#54
Well I have to take back what I said about not ignoring anyone in another forum on VN. A couple of posters on here really add nothing to the convesation but just post silly comments, ridicule and nasty remarks. Life is too short especially for someone of my age to waste time on such people. You know disagreeing and posting your opinion is one thing simply being offensive is another. So good bye to you two, you know who you are.
 
#55
#55
JokermanVol said:
the "you didn't start watching basketball until '05" angle is baseless nonsense.
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Maybe in your case, but it's 100% true for innumerable other Pearlophiles. Many of them will even admit they didn't care about UT basketball before Pearl was hired.
 
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#57
SGMVols said:
Maybe in your case, but it's 100% true for innumerable other Pearlophiles. Many of them will even admit they didn't care about UT basketball before Pearl was hired.
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Not only will a lot of them admit it, but many times it was at least half their argument. "I didn't care about UT basketball before Pearl, so nobody cared about it before Pearl, so nobody will care about it if he's gone." Some variation of that.
 
#58
#58
Ill believe they are getting better win it translates on the court in games....
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