Martin on Stokes saying he wants to run...

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golfballs said:
Turnovers are my biggest concern about pushing the tempo.
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But that isn't typically where we turn it over. We turn it over in the halfcourt set with lazy passes. It would be refreshing to see a turnover happen due to aggressiveness. IMO
 
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golfballs said:
Turnovers are my biggest concern about pushing the tempo.
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I agree, but some will tell you we turn it over more in half court than pressing. I haven't broke down the last 3 games to do the numbers, but to me we've had a lot of turnovers or bad shots when pushing.

I agree we should push more, I would just like to see it come with taking care of the ball better and getting back defensively. We aren't good enough defensively IMO to run and turn the ball over 15+ times a game.
 
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golfballs said:
darius thompson is the only one
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Agree, and that is due to his length. He is out of position defensively more often than not.

Going back three years ago, Martin's system's inability to generate TOs was my biggest complaint. I harped on it for half a season in this forum before I realized it wasn't going to change, and it still hasn't.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree, and that is due to his length. He is out of position defensively more often than not.

Going back three years ago, Martin's system's inability to generate TOs was my biggest complaint. I harped on it for half a season in this forum before I realized it wasn't going to change, and it still hasn't.
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This. I understand the stay at home mentality, but it would be nice to have a little more gamble at times and jump passing lanes.

However our help defense leaves a LOT to be desired, at times. So maybe that is the reason.?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, but some will tell you we turn it over more in half court than pressing. I haven't broke down the last 3 games to do the numbers, but to me we've had a lot of turnovers or bad shots when pushing.

I agree we should push more, I would just like to see it come with taking care of the ball better and getting back defensively. We aren't good enough defensively IMO to run and turn the ball over 15+ times a game.
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Completely agree.
 
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Lefteye said:
This. I understand the stay at home mentality, but it would be nice to have a little more gamble at times and jump passing lanes.

However our help defense leaves a LOT to be desired, at times. So maybe that is the reason.?
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I could buy that excuse in year one. By year three, it has become clear that it is just not in CCM's defensive philosophy to generate TOs. He wants his team to strictly play man-to-man defense, stay in position, and only take what the offense gives you.

That's why I say we don't generate ANY TOs. Any TO we get is generally the result of a mistake by the opposing offense. Darius Thompson being the sole exception due to his length. Even JRich isn't really allowed to create TOs because he's confined to playing within the system. That works for him because he is good at denying the ball to his man as well as playing straight up on his man when he has the ball.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Agree, and that is due to his length. He is out of position defensively more often than not.

Going back three years ago, Martin's system's inability to generate TOs was my biggest complaint. I harped on it for half a season in this forum before I realized it wasn't going to change, and it still hasn't.
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It's the same method Calipari teaches defensively, he says if your getting steals it usually means you're gambling and out of position. He prefers to play straight up and make you hit contested shots.

Not saying it's the best method, but you see a lot of defensive minded coaches use this philosophy.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
It's the same method Calipari teaches defensively, he says if your getting steals it usually means you're gambling and out of position. He prefers to play straight up and make you hit contested shots.

Not saying it's the best method, but you see a lot of defensive minded coaches use this philosophy.
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To be fair, Cal is doing it with much better talent across the board, and with a team that averages more than 6 more points per game with a scoring margin of +8.2 (compared to UT's scoring margin of only +3).

We are 14th in steals and 13th in TO margin.

UK can get away with playing honest defense because they don't struggle to score offensively by taking it to the hole and getting out in transition.

We don't do that enough.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree, but some will tell you we turn it over more in half court than pressing. I haven't broke down the last 3 games to do the numbers, but to me we've had a lot of turnovers or bad shots when pushing.
I agree we should push more, I would just like to see it come with taking care of the ball better and getting back defensively. We aren't good enough defensively IMO to run and turn the ball over 15+ times a game.
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I don't agree with that at all really. We didn't have any turnovers early against Ky and were beating them up and down the court. Then, as Stokes even said, we slowed it down. Then we turned it over. Then we stopped scoring. Maybe a bad shot here and there but who cares. If you are scoring more than the other team you can deal with a bad shot.
Problem is still communication. CM says Stokes should tell Barton he needs to run, yet CM just benched Barton last game for missing a tough and forced layup last game.
You can't play like that. I'd flat out say and have said and have heard said, "Coach, don't tell me to run then yank me out of the game after a mistake. I can't play with a quick hook waiting."
 
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Spartacavolus said:
I don't agree with that at all really. We didn't have any turnovers early against Ky and were beating them up and down the court. Then, as Stokes even said, we slowed it down. Then we turned it over. Then we stopped scoring. Maybe a bad shot here and there but who cares. If you are scoring more than the other team you can deal with a bad shot.
Problem is still communication. CM says Stokes should tell Barton he needs to run, yet CM just benched Barton last game for missing a tough and forced layup last game.
You can't play like that. I'd flat out say and have said and have heard said, "Coach, don't tell me to run then yank me out of the game after a mistake. I can't play with a quick hook waiting."
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Did Martin or Barton say that's why he sat?

All I have seen, was it was said Thompson was playing better defense, and looking up ahead the floor better. Barton when asked, said he was fine with the decision because it was working at that time.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Did Martin or Barton say that's why he sat?

All I have seen, was it was said Thompson was playing better defense, and looking up ahead the floor better. Barton when asked, said he was fine with the decision because it was working at that time.
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Barton was yanked after he either got a rebound or a quick outlet going right to left on the tv, close the the sideline of the benches and drove to the bucket and tried a layup as help d was coming over. Actually almost made it. CM didn't like the shot as it took @ 5 seconds, yanked him, and he sat the rest of the game, even when we needed 3's to get back in it, he didn't have his highest % shooter on the floor.
He ran, missed the shot, and was yanked. I don't know how you ask players to play if that's the case. That's stuck in 1980's coaching.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Barton was yanked after he either got a rebound or a quick outlet going right to left on the tv, close the the sideline of the benches and drove to the bucket and tried a layup as help d was coming over. Actually almost made it. CM didn't like the shot as it took @ 5 seconds, yanked him, and he sat the rest of the game, even when we needed 3's to get back in it, he didn't have his highest % shooter on the floor.
He ran, missed the shot, and was yanked. I don't know how you ask players to play if that's the case. That's stuck in 1980's coaching.
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Maybe Barton tried working the ref for a foul call after his miss, and CCM wasn't having any of it?!? Yeah I am going with that. :)
 
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Lefteye said:
Maybe Barton tried working the ref for a foul call after his miss, and CCM wasn't having any of it?!? Yeah I am going with that. :)
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Haha :eek:lol: cuonzo does sometimes talk to the refs about a call, but he just doesn't throw a temper tantrum or throw the jacket and show the suspenders like pearl would I do agre though you need to stand up for your team but keep your cool at the same time
 
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Goldencuonzohut said:
Haha :eek:lol: cuonzo does sometimes talk to the refs about a call, but he just doesn't throw a temper tantrum or throw the jacket and show the suspenders like pearl would I do agre though you need to stand up for your team but keep your cool at the same time
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ha yeah I don't mean to beat a dead horse at all. I just believe a coach can be in a refs ear without the temper tantrum. Billy D is awesome at it.

A ref needs to remember the last close call b4 he makes the next. And IMO any decent coach helps with that.
 
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