Marvel Cinematic Universe

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#777
dalton_vol said:
i agree, it doesn't get to me, i'm just pointing out the fact that disney's star wars has become trash. i'm sorry if you can't see that.
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I think Star wars sucked a long time ago, never been a fan 🤣
 
#782
#782
dalton_vol said:
i grew up with star wars and absolutely loved it, it has become the vandy of franchises
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For years, Lucas controlled all aspects the franchise, top down. Much to the detriment of the films. Controlling what made it so amazing to people was originality in SF, forward thinking fiction story, and richness of characters. If you think about it ILM got too fancy for its britches. Jedi's doing twirls and flips and Ewoks? Jar Jar?

It was time to pass the torch. Us adults forget, we grew up. This story wasnt intended for us. Its a kids story.

Dave Filione has taken that torch, and absolutely opened up the Galaxy. We have Thrawn! And he's now canon. Star Wars movies were stale. Only thing moving it forward was the cartoons and comics, and books. Where people could freely exercise creativity and move the story forward.

Id give Disney a B+ for its efforts with SW. Really their content has been very good. Very good. Issues I have are their Star Wars World at DW, frankly, sucks. I also think sometimes they push too much content, which can water it down. We dont need a new Star Wars show or movie every three months.
 
#784
#784
Dalton has no tolerance for ideas he doesn't like in his entertainment media. He'll love a piece of crap that speaks his language, but Sopranos is out because it's too woke.
 
#785
#785
Jackcrevol said:
For years, Lucas controlled all aspects the franchise, top down. Much to the detriment of the films. Controlling what made it so amazing to people was originality in SF, forward thinking fiction story, and richness of characters. If you think about it ILM got too fancy for its britches. Jedi's doing twirls and flips and Ewoks? Jar Jar?

It was time to pass the torch. Us adults forget, we grew up. This story wasnt intended for us. Its a kids story.

Dave Filione has taken that torch, and absolutely opened up the Galaxy. We have Thrawn! And he's now canon. Star Wars movies were stale. Only thing moving it forward was the cartoons and comics, and books. Where people could freely exercise creativity and move the story forward.

Id give Disney a B+ for its efforts with SW. Really their content has been very good. Very good. Issues I have are their Star Wars World at DW, frankly, sucks. I also think sometimes they push too much content, which can water it down. We dont need a new Star Wars show or movie every three months.
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dave started out pretty good but the Star hers management pushing him to it a DEI and woke story. star wars has always been a male supported story and it focused on boys. girls had no interest for the most part. that's not a bad thing. now, we have a bunch of cultural marxist feminists that's in charge of star wars, who's pushing boys out and trying to make it all about women. it's satire at this point, every bad guy is white and every protagonist is some female. their agenda has caused crap writing and a terrible story. there is no need for it. those feminazis producers, show runners, etc are pushing an agenda that people don't want from star wars. you ever watched the interviews with those people? they have no clue about star wars lore, all they see and know is that men bad.

i do agree, they need to shelve star wars and the M-SHE-U for about 5-8 years then come out with something that isn't agenda driven.
 
#786
#786
dalton_vol said:
dave started out pretty good but the Star hers management pushing him to it a DEI and woke story. star wars has always been a male supported story and it focused on boys. girls had no interest for the most part. that's not a bad thing. now, we have a bunch of cultural marxist feminists that's in charge of star wars, who's pushing boys out and trying to make it all about women. it's satire at this point, every bad guy is white and every protagonist is some female. their agenda has caused crap writing and a terrible story. there is no need for it. those feminazis producers, show runners, etc are pushing an agenda that people don't want from star wars. you ever watched the interviews with those people? they have no clue about star wars lore, all they see and know is that men bad.

i do agree, they need to shelve star wars and the M-SHE-U for about 5-8 years then come out with something that isn't agenda driven.
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What in the hell kind of psycho babble is that? I dont have time or patience for Fox News nonsense today.

This is a thread about a science fiction franchise man. No one cares about your social political stuff.
 
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#787
dalton_vol said:
dave started out pretty good but the Star hers management pushing him to it a DEI and woke story. star wars has always been a male supported story and it focused on boys. girls had no interest for the most part. that's not a bad thing. now, we have a bunch of cultural marxist feminists that's in charge of star wars, who's pushing boys out and trying to make it all about women. it's satire at this point, every bad guy is white and every protagonist is some female. their agenda has caused crap writing and a terrible story. there is no need for it. those feminazis producers, show runners, etc are pushing an agenda that people don't want from star wars. you ever watched the interviews with those people? they have no clue about star wars lore, all they see and know is that men bad.

i do agree, they need to shelve star wars and the M-SHE-U for about 5-8 years then come out with something that isn't agenda driven.
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You are the most sensitive person I've ever heard of. You need to get a grip.
 
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Jackcrevol said:
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What in the hell kind of psycho babble is that? I dont have time or patience for Fox News nonsense today.

This is a thread about a science fiction franchise man. No one cares about your social political stuff.
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but it does play into movies, so talking about the movies, it's crap, the story writing is crap. without being political of course.
 
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#790
dalton_vol said:
but it does play into movies, so talking about the movies, it's crap, the story writing is crap. without being political of course.
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Then dont watch them, princess. No one is holding you at gun point.

You're just making yourself look like an indignanr, miserable fool by complaining. I assure you that younger generations dont see things same way as you.

You can either fight it, or get to gettin'

Not arguing.
 
#791
#791
@dalton_vol you do realize you are the only person in this thread whining about it right? No one is coming to your defense on this.

And it’s not because you are the smartest person in the room.
 
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#792
#792
BenGrimm said:
@dalton_vol you do realize you are the only person in this thread whining about it right? No one is coming to your defense on this.

And it’s not because you are the smartest person in the room.
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I just dont care. I mean, who gives a ****?

Watched Echo last night, the actress wasnt great, storyline wasnt the best, and in fact was really hokey. But not once did I ever think Marvel has an agenda.

In fact, it refreshing to see a female lead. And, if I were Choctaw id be very happy to have my people represented in positive light. Further, the show acknowledged giving jobs to lots of indigenous people's why the hell wouldnt I be happy for them?

Pretty cool.
 
#793
#793
dalton_vol said:
but it does play into movies, so talking about the movies, it's crap, the story writing is crap. without being political of course.
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It's OK to gripe about bad writing, but you're barely doing that in any substantive way.

It's lame to complain about inclusion, especially in a case like this where they didn't change anything. A new character was a woman. Another new character was Hispanic. Who fkn cares? What kind of person would cry about this?

And it's super lame to act like some sort of victim because Hux is white. JFC.

There really aren't very many villains in the sequel trilogy and not all of them are white. The main ones are:

Snoke (not white)
Kyle Ren (has to be white or you'd cry even more)
Hux
DJ (Hispanic)
Pryde
Phasma
 
#794
#794
BenGrimm said:
@dalton_vol you do realize you are the only person in this thread whining about it right? No one is coming to your defense on this.

And it’s not because you are the smartest person in the room.
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That's fine. the shows are crap. which i know many of you don't understand that. which is fine. you can have your opinion as do i. the viewership ratings of these shows agree with me even if you guys don't and i'm fine with that.
 
#795
#795
dalton_vol said:
That's fine. the shows are crap. which i know many of you don't understand that. which is fine. you can have your opinion as do i. the viewership ratings of these shows agree with me even if you guys don't and i'm fine with that.
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I’ve already broken down box office in this thread. You are comparing it to the peak in 2019. In the context of all studios it’s not nearly as dire as you seem to think.

Streaming is in the same boat. Everything peaked in 2020 (you know why). And everything has dipped since. Aside from losing subscribers in India due to dropping cricket, D+ has grown in North Am and EU.

I will concede it’s not all been great, but truthfully not all of Phase 1-3 was great either. I’m more than happy to actually discuss story structure, plot, and pacing. But if your critique is just crying about DEI and “woke agenda shoved down your throat” then you aren’t really critiquing, you are projecting personal cultural bias.
 
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#796
BenGrimm said:
I’ve already broken down box office in this thread. You are comparing it to the peak in 2019. In the context of all studios it’s not nearly as dire as you seem to think.

Streaming is in the same boat. Everything peaked in 2020 (you know why). And everything has dipped since. Aside from losing subscribers in India due to dropping cricket, D+ has grown in North Am and EU.

I will concede it’s not all been great, but truthfully not all of Phase 1-3 was great either. I’m more than happy to actually discuss story structure, plot, and pacing. But if your critique is just crying about DEI and “woke agenda shoved down your throat” then you aren’t really critiquing, you are projecting personal cultural bias.
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netflix has done well despite the down turn. the discussion of the plot, story structure does intertwine with DEI crap because they've put that in the forefront. so i'm projecting culture bias and also critiquing it. both can be done.
 
#797
#797
dalton_vol said:
netflix has done well despite the down turn. the discussion of the plot, story structure does intertwine with DEI crap because they've put that in the forefront. so i'm projecting culture bias and also critiquing it. both can be done.
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Netflix is the exception to every rule right now, and they're putting out woke **** too. What was that animated movie with the gay characters that Disney turned down and was a hit on Netflix?

Face it. You're an old man yelling at clouds
 
#798
#798
n_huffhines said:
Netflix is the exception to every rule right now, and they're putting out woke **** too. What was that animated movie with the gay characters that Disney turned down and was a hit on Netflix?

Face it. You're an old man yelling at clouds
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i might be old but i'm based and i'm not some plastic bag that follows the winds of culture. yeah, i know netflix has alot of sewage they put on their platform. i'm well aware.
 
#799
#799
n_huffhines said:
Netflix is the exception to every rule right now, and they're putting out woke **** too. What was that animated movie with the gay characters that Disney turned down and was a hit on Netflix?

Face it. You're an old man yelling at clouds
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Probably not even that old. I’m getting strong late 20s/early 30s white dude vibes. The kind that spends their day watching recreational outrage videos on YouTube then swearing the masses agree with them.
 
#800
#800
dalton_vol said:
netflix has done well despite the down turn. the discussion of the plot, story structure does intertwine with DEI crap because they've put that in the forefront. so i'm projecting culture bias and also critiquing it. both can be done.
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And D+ is the number two streaming service only to Netflix. The gap between 2 and 3 is almost half.
 
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