Marvin Mitchell

#26
#26
I imagine there was video survelliance where this happened, at this bar/market. Almost all businesses have this now.

The police will pull this video surveillance and use it to convict him. I think he is in deep trouble af far as the team is concerned. He will probably have to plead guilty, and I imagine that means getting kicked off the team permanently. Its hard to argue with video.
 
#27
#27
(oklavol @ May 2 said:
I imagine there was video survelliance where this happened, at this bar/market. Almost all businesses have this now.

The police will pull this video surveillance and use it to convict him. I think he is in deep trouble af far as the team is concerned. He will probably have to plead guilty, and I imagine that means getting kicked off the team permanently. Its hard to argue with video.
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^^speculation.
 
#30
#30
(OldVol @ May 2 said:
There is a deficit of common sense here some times.

Playing football in the SEC is a privilege, not a hardship.

It is not too much to expect of young men to keep a decent hour, refrain from alcohol, behave in a manner that does not bring reproach on
the university, and all in all, just do the right thing.

A scholarship at UT is a coveted thing. It is something young men work all of their young lives to attain.

If any of them feel deprived, then let them make those milkshakes. Besides, many of those youngsters flipping burgers for 30 hours a week would
swap places in a second with a kid who puts in roughly 3 hours per day on the practice field. Many young men and women work a full-time job, carry a full class load, and participate in intramural sports and other campus activities. (just because they love it) and also find the time to stay out of trouble. So don't come to me with the sob story of how badly scholarship athletes have it. I know that to be asinine from first hand experience. In fact, its better today that it's ever been. Kids who live off campus, which most do, receive a stipend for housing, and also receive a stipend for meals that, if they are frugal, will always put money in their pockets aside from other stipends afforded. I know of some kids who actually saved money from their stipends and still had money for a date now and then.

As long as they wear the uniform of the University of Tennessee they are held to a higher standard and they should be.

I don't advocate that we should hang and quarter them for a first offense, but the behavior of last season was abominable and must end.

I'm sure Marvin will do all in his power to regain his position on the team. Unlike some here, I'm sure he understands the great privilege it is
to wear the Orange.
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I missed you :devilsmoke:
 
#31
#31
(OldVol @ May 2 said:
There is a deficit of common sense here some times.

Playing football in the SEC is a privilege, not a hardship.

It is not too much to expect of young men to keep a decent hour, refrain from alcohol, behave in a manner that does not bring reproach on
the university, and all in all, just do the right thing.

A scholarship at UT is a coveted thing. It is something young men work all of their young lives to attain.

If any of them feel deprived, then let them make those milkshakes. Besides, many of those youngsters flipping burgers for 30 hours a week would
swap places in a second with a kid who puts in roughly 3 hours per day on the practice field. Many young men and women work a full-time job, carry a full class load, and participate in intramural sports and other campus activities. (just because they love it) and also find the time to stay out of trouble. So don't come to me with the sob story of how badly scholarship athletes have it. I know that to be asinine from first hand experience. In fact, its better today that it's ever been. Kids who live off campus, which most do, receive a stipend for housing, and also receive a stipend for meals that, if they are frugal, will always put money in their pockets aside from other stipends afforded. I know of some kids who actually saved money from their stipends and still had money for a date now and then.

As long as they wear the uniform of the University of Tennessee they are held to a higher standard and they should be.

I don't advocate that we should hang and quarter them for a first offense, but the behavior of last season was abominable and must end.

I'm sure Marvin will do all in his power to regain his position on the team. Unlike some here, I'm sure he understands the great privilege it is
to wear the Orange.
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You're right. In fact, the players should pay the athletic department for the right to put on the jersey. It's all about the sainted jersey not the guys inside it.
In order to bring honor to the sacred garment that is a UT jersey, we should only recruit National Merit Scholars and Eagle Scouts from stable, two parent suburban homes. I really enjoy OldVol's plantation mentality. The players need to be frugal? No, what needs to happen is economic justice. Instead of wasting money on non-revenue sports, which we have to do because of Title IX, make the football players university employees. That would eliminate a number of problems. One, the hypocrasy and silliness attached the NCAAs archaic rules on amateur status would be rendered obsolete. So would the academic fraud and chicanery associated with keeping guys who don't really want to be in school eligible. If a guy wants to attend classes as part of his benefit package, good for him. If not, so what? The reality is that the football and basketball teams at major D-I schools are there for PR and fundraising purposes. If people want to hold on to some Norman Rockwell painting ideal of college sports, so be it. By doing it this way, the guys who do the work get to see tangible results of their labor. Arian Foster, for example, would get a cut of every #29 jersey sold instead of the money going to help build some old, fat a$$ assistant AD's pool. This won't happen for a simple reason: Worker's Compensation. The schools like to have a resource they can use up, i.e. players, that they don't have to provide benefits to if they are injured. A guy suffers an injury that limits his ability to work for the rest of his life, the university gives him a nice pat on the back. That's all.
 
#32
#32
(hatvol96 @ May 3 said:
You're right. In fact, the players should pay the athletic department for the right to put on the jersey. It's all about the sainted jersey not the guys inside it.
In order to bring honor to the sacred garment that is a UT jersey, we should only recruit National Merit Scholars and Eagle Scouts from stable, two parent suburban homes. I really enjoy OldVol's plantation mentality. The players need to be frugal? No, what needs to happen is economic justice. Instead of wasting money on non-revenue sports, which we have to do because of Title IX, make the football players university employees. That would eliminate a number of problems. One, the hypocrasy and silliness attached the NCAAs archaic rules on amateur status would be rendered obsolete. So would the academic fraud and chicanery associated with keeping guys who don't really want to be in school eligible. If a guy wants to attend classes as part of his benefit package, good for him. If not, so what? The reality is that the football and basketball teams at major D-I schools are there for PR and fundraising purposes. If people want to hold on to some Norman Rockwell painting ideal of college sports, so be it. By doing it this way, the guys who do the work get to see tangible results of their labor. Arian Foster, for example, would get a cut of every #29 jersey sold instead of the money going to help build some old, fat a$$ assistant AD's pool. This won't happen for a simple reason: Worker's Compensation. The schools like to have a resource they can use up, i.e. players, that they don't have to provide benefits to if they are injured. A guy suffers an injury that limits his ability to work for the rest of his life, the university gives him a nice pat on the back. That's all.
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i agree with you about funding non-revenue producing sports and paying the players more money for what they do for the schools.
 
#33
#33
I don't think we're necessarily looking for choir boys, but were not looking for thugs either. You do something wrong, you get punished plain and simple. Indefinite only means they haven't decided how long the suspension will be. Fulmer will need to step back and weigh the evidence, and then decide on the outcome. Being laxed on discipline has a lot to do with why we are in the situation we are in with our football program.

Does anyone remember what happened to Chris Lofton before the season started, he broke the rules and Pearl punished him for it, and Chris said it made him respect Pearl even more. Discipline is key on and off the field. A standard has to be set. Maybe Marvin Mitchell is a stand up guy, but unfortunately the fact is he misbehaved, wheither it was the 1st or the 3rd time, he deserves punishment. However hopefully its the last time.
 
#34
#34
I read on another board he told an officer to "f... off."

The officer is calling that disorderly conduct. Thats pretty lame. If thats the case, he will mostly likely get reinstated IMO.
 
#35
#35
I wasn't there, but if he did say that I'd be willing to bet that the disorderly conduct occurred prior to that and that's why the cops were talking to him in the first place. Plus, it's a pretty good indication that you're acting like a complete idiot if you talk to a police officer that way. :shakehead:
 
#37
#37
From what the Tennessean said, Marvin was given many opportunities to walk away from the situation by campus police and he refused. Perhaps he thought nothing would be done to him because of his football status or perhaps the amount of alcohol he had consumed clouded his judgement. At any rate, he was not very smart for not taking advantage of the campus police giving him an easy way out. To verbally abuse a policeman and too not comply with their orders, shows that he was not in a stable mindset. I think that if he does not lose his playing privileges this will not be the type of example that this football team will need in order to make an improvement in the mental approach to this season. I know it was his first mistake, but I also know that he was forwarned that this type of behavior would not be tolerated.
 
#38
#38
(hohenfelsvol @ May 2 said:
If CPF and Cut are going to set an example some will have to pay harder the others. It was a dumb mistake. Wasn't Mitchell involved in some fight last year too or am I thinking of someone else?
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These guys are involved in these types of things ALL the time. The difference is that most of the incidents go unreported. I had an old roomate that was raped by a former player whose name I will not say. They are into crap and all other kinds of trouble and mischief all the time. Another player picked a fight with a friend of mine, and his teammates were there ready to jump him, about 20 strong. There have been COUNTLESS numbers of fights at fraternity parties involving football players. Like I said, most of these incidents go unreported.
 
#39
#39
I'm not so sure that the punishment fits the crime here. I can see punishing him over the summer, and MAYBE even a short suspension, but I can't see giving him the death penalty like some are asking.

If anyone here has ever dealt with some of the campus police / KPD around here, you know they aren't the nicest people sometimes. It's easy to get pretty mad at them. However, he should have walked away, but what if the cop said something to him that was un-necessary? That's the thing, the cops can say whatever they want to you, but if you say anything back.>BAM, disorderly conduct. Aparently he wasn't drunk enough to get Public Intox, so I doubt he was *too* drunk. My bet, especially with his lack of a track record for trouble making: the cop said something to him, he told the cop to f*** off, or whatever, and stuff just got kinda bad.
 
#40
#40
"(Marvin) made a bad decision to be disrespectful to a police officer," Volunteers coach Phillip Fulmer said in a prepared statement. "It is disappointing for our entire team and staff to be embarrassed by a team member who did not put the team first. Marvin has the good sense to walk away.

"Why he didnÂ’t, I donÂ’t know."
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This is not the first young man for whom good sense has taken a hiatus.
He will be dealt with properly and sternly but should be allowed to return to the team after meeting the reqiurements of his coaches.


Fulmer "was very angry and emotional" at Monday nightÂ’s meeting, said defensive lineman Turk McBride.

"He made it very clear that we had not had problems in a long time, and he would not tolerate problems in the future," quarterback Erik Ainge said. "Marvin is a good kid and hasnÂ’t been in trouble since heÂ’s been here, but he made a mistake."
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This swift response before the entire team by Fulmer is encouraging. The message must be sent loudly and quickly. "There's no room for this kind of poor thinking on this team."
College kid type stuff or not, there is no reason to disrespect the law in such a way.

*quotes are from Chattanooga Times Free Press
 
#41
#41
(jwells @ May 3 said:
he told the cop to f*** off
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Good idea. That usually goes over well with people whose job it is to serve and protect the public, keep the peace, and work in the line of fire.

Nobody seems to know the details, here, and it doesn't sound like a horrific crime. BUT it is the first "incident" that we've seen in a while, and our collective hope, I'm assuming, is that this isn't just the tip of the iceberg. Fulmer is well aware of where this stuff went last year and will probably act swiftly and sternly, as he should.

Is being drunk at the gas station at 3:30 in the morning the same as murder one? Of course not. It does, however, reflect a lack of discipline, a lack of respect for authority, and a failure to realize that when you play sports for a major university program, you are always going to be in the spotlight and under a microscope.

Hopefully Marvin, and the entire team, will learn a lesson here.
 
#42
#42
(hatvol96 @ May 3 said:
You're right. In fact, the players should pay the athletic department for the right to put on the jersey. It's all about the sainted jersey not the guys inside it.
In order to bring honor to the sacred garment that is a UT jersey, we should only recruit National Merit Scholars and Eagle Scouts from stable, two parent suburban homes. I really enjoy OldVol's plantation mentality. The players need to be frugal? No, what needs to happen is economic justice. Instead of wasting money on non-revenue sports, which we have to do because of Title IX, make the football players university employees. That would eliminate a number of problems. One, the hypocrasy and silliness attached the NCAAs archaic rules on amateur status would be rendered obsolete. So would the academic fraud and chicanery associated with keeping guys who don't really want to be in school eligible. If a guy wants to attend classes as part of his benefit package, good for him. If not, so what? The reality is that the football and basketball teams at major D-I schools are there for PR and fundraising purposes. If people want to hold on to some Norman Rockwell painting ideal of college sports, so be it. By doing it this way, the guys who do the work get to see tangible results of their labor. Arian Foster, for example, would get a cut of every #29 jersey sold instead of the money going to help build some old, fat a$$ assistant AD's pool. This won't happen for a simple reason: Worker's Compensation. The schools like to have a resource they can use up, i.e. players, that they don't have to provide benefits to if they are injured. A guy suffers an injury that limits his ability to work for the rest of his life, the university gives him a nice pat on the back. That's all.
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There's some merit in what your saying Hat....

I do agree, that in this day and age, with as big a cash cow as CFB is for schools, that the scholarship alone is dwarfed by the amount of money brought in for CFB. the problem is, what about the D1 schools that don't have the same revenues? it would create an unfair recruiting environment and would create an even more shady recruiting process. I don't agree that they should be employees of the University. I think they are student athelets at heart, and should be students. They should go to class....if they were simply employees, well, then all you'd have is literal bush league for the NFL...and instead of the NCAA regulating it, you'd have some new players organization/union directing traffic...which would be as undesirable as the NCAA is as far as i'm concerned.

that said, i do agree with you on the NCAA having some archaic rules, and that while they are students, they are NOT like academic students, at least at the big time football programs.

What this really should call for is some rules reform in the NCAA.

but i also agree with Old Vol, because not everyone can play at the highest level at a big time program, and from that stand point, there should be some level of respect for the position and opportunity that has been laid in front of them. These guys aren't owed anything, but on the same token, they don't owe the university anything either, except to abide by the rules that are placed in front of them. Playing D1 football on an athletic shcolarship at a program, like TN, FL, FSU, etc....is quite a privelage. I don't know that i buy in to the whole "proud to wear the orange" thing, but rather respecting the opportunity the instituion has provided the individual with.
 
#43
#43
(jakez4ut @ May 3 said:
There's some merit in what your saying Hat....

I do agree, that in this day and age, with as big a cash cow as CFB is for schools, that the scholarship alone is dwarfed by the amount of money brought in for CFB. the problem is, what about the D1 schools that don't have the same revenues? it would create an unfair recruiting environment and would create an even more shady recruiting process. I don't agree that they should be employees of the University. I think they are student athelets at heart, and should be students. They should go to class....if they were simply employees, well, then all you'd have is literal bush league for the NFL...and instead of the NCAA regulating it, you'd have some new players organization/union directing traffic...which would be as undesirable as the NCAA is as far as i'm concerned.

that said, i do agree with you on the NCAA having some archaic rules, and that while they are students, they are NOT like academic students, at least at the big time football programs.

What this really should call for is some rules reform in the NCAA.

but i also agree with Old Vol, because not everyone can play at the highest level at a big time program, and from that stand point, there should be some level of respect for the position and opportunity that has been laid in front of them. These guys aren't owed anything, but on the same token, they don't owe the university anything either, except to abide by the rules that are placed in front of them. Playing D1 football on an athletic shcolarship at a program, like TN, FL, FSU, etc....is quite a privelage. I don't know that i buy in to the whole "proud to wear the orange" thing, but rather respecting the opportunity the instituion has provided the individual with.
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Fair enough.
 
#44
#44
(hatvol96 @ May 3 said:
Fair enough.
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wow, i'm pleasantly suprised Hat. See, i knew we had some common ground somewhere.... :hi:
 
#45
#45
(kiddiedoc @ May 3 said:
Good idea. That usually goes over well with people whose job it is to serve and protect the public, keep the peace, and work in the line of fire.

Nobody seems to know the details, here, and it doesn't sound like a horrific crime. BUT it is the first "incident" that we've seen in a while, and our collective hope, I'm assuming, is that this isn't just the tip of the iceberg. Fulmer is well aware of where this stuff went last year and will probably act swiftly and sternly, as he should.

Is being drunk at the gas station at 3:30 in the morning the same as murder one? Of course not. It does, however, reflect a lack of discipline, a lack of respect for authority, and a failure to realize that when you play sports for a major university program, you are always going to be in the spotlight and under a microscope.

Hopefully Marvin, and the entire team, will learn a lesson here.
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If being drunk at Rocky Top is a crime-I am guilty (I guees that is PI but you get my point). On a seperate note, who was he with? I mean if I am blitzed out of my mind at 330am my buddies have got me under control or keep me in check. That is what worries me. Who is he running with that lets him blow up like this? And what was said to provoke such a heated response from an otherwise quiet member of the team? Telling off a police officer is one thing, but I have threated to knock someone out in the past. Things happen at 330, alcohol is a catalyst, but I just want to know what ignited the situation.
 
#46
#46
The other side of the coin here is that the players could see CPF coming down too hard on a relatively minor infraction as unjust. What happens if the team starts to resent the head coach as a perceived tyrant? As has been said, hopefully this is the first and last incident that will occur.
 
#47
#47
(bigdaddy @ May 3 said:
I mean if I am blitzed out of my mind at 330am my buddies have got me under control or keep me in check.
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Well. . . .we try. :eek:lol:

Again, I agree that it's not a horrendous offense. I'd even say that if you had every Cumberland passerby take a breathalyzer between midnight and 6 AM, over half would be above the "legal limit." However, he must have been doing something to gather the attention of the Campus Police or KPD. You also can't just cuss out an officer without expecting repercussions. And, NO, I don't buy the idea that cops were somehow picking on him or singling him out because he's a football player. In fact, story is that he had plenty of chances to "walk away."

What scares me is that you almost get a hint of the "above the law" attitude that seems to run rampant through the collective celebrity/athelete population.
 
#48
#48
I don't CPF coming down that hard yet.

He suspended him indefinitely but since they are not practicing now, there's not an effect, except he can't train at UT's facilities for conditioning.
 
#50
#50
Referring to previous posts above, I think the players do have alot given them. You have the monetary value of todays education costs that others pay out of pocket. In return for that their talent helps bring in money that the athletic association donates back t the university since UT athletics is a separate entity that not only funds itself but does donate to other academic areas that does not get alot of recognition in doing so. You also have the intrinsic value of all the benefits and contacts after college from being a UT althlete. If the guys take their education as seriously as football or their respective sport, they have inroads to good starting jobs that the normal student does not have. They get alot for their talent, should not be paid outside that, and should be held to a higher standard. They are public ambassadars of the university. That goes not only for UT, but all athletc programs. If they don't want to be heros so to speak, don't be in the limelight.
 
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