Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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Weezer said:
Luther, please, tell me exactly what this kid did wrong in your opinion? What exactly do you think he's guilty of? Offending his fellow students? So ****ing what? I get offended by people all the time but I don't run and report them to the authorizes because they "hurt my feelings". You want to believe it was insensitive? Fine. I disagree, but feel however you want. Is insensitivity against the law now? If not, this **** got way overblown by people with a very liberal agenda. It's bull****.

And kids "protesting" by walking out of school. What kind of bs is that? Great idea btw. Let's all gather outside the school where we'll be an even easier target for some nutjob. You want to make a statement, do it after school. Kids don't go to school to be political, they go to school to learn. They can't learn if they aren't in class. Where's the discipline for ditching school, which would actually be appropriate since they were actually at school, unlike the kid posting on social media?
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I don't think he did anything illegal (if that is the definition of wrong). He intentionally agitated a volatile situation. I highly doubt that his, or his father's, views and opinions were unknown prior to this incident. I can almost guarantee that there is more to this story than we know. If not, the school and the LEO over reacted and should be dealt with accordingly.
 
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Grand Vol said:
What if they were a former soldier and had a pic of their time on active duty and was bearing a rifle?
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That wouldn't be nearly as bad.

See how willingly I answer the questions from you guys?

I'm not scared to explore the ambiguities of creating a line. I know that it has to be done and that it can not be done in a way in which all will agree.
 
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Mick said:
"Israeli army!" Well they suck. The only thing they do is kill unarmed Palestinians in their land grab.
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You are one pitifully ignorant person. To the point it's approaching deplorable wanton stupidity.

When was there ever a nation called Palestine? When were there ever national "Palestinian" citizens? Who became what are called "Palestinians"? Why is the vast majority "Palestinians" Muslim Arabs?

They may well be Arabs, but to claim they are decended from an indigenous people is simply not true. They are as diverse in their nation of origin as is possible.

More specifically, as the Jordan/Palestine region of Syria, a province of the defeated Ottoman Empire (caliphate), was conquered and became a British territory post WW1, the British Mandate and the establishment of Israel is completely legal. Since 1947, Israel has been repeatedly attacked but has defeated every aggressor surrounding nation and conquered territory surrounding them.


Were the Arabs Indigenous to Mandatory Palestine? | Middle East Forum

..."It was always the foreign soldier who was the police power in Palestine. The Tulunides brought in Turks and Negroes. The Fatamids introduced Berbers, Slavs, Greeks, Kurds, and mercenaries of all kinds. The Mamelukes imported legions of Georgians and Circassians. Each monarch for his personal safety relied on great levies of slave warriors. Saladin, hard-pressed by the Crusaders, received one hundred and fifty thousand Persians who were given lands in Galilee and the Sidon district for their services.

Out of this human patch-work of Jews, Arabs, Armenians, Kalmucks, Persians, Crusaders, Tartars, Indians, Ethiopians, Egyptians, Sudanese, Turks, Mongols, Romans, Kharmazians, Greeks, pilgrims, wanderers, ne'er-do-wells and adventurers, invaders, slaves ... was formed that hodge-podge of blood and mentality we call today "Levantine." ...

..."In the fourteenth century, drought caused the immigration into Palestine of eighteen thousand "tents" of Yurate Tartars from the Euphrates. Soon followed twenty thousand Ashiri under Gaza, and four thousand Mongols under Moulai, who occupied the Jordan Valley and settled from Jerusalem south. Kaisaite and Yemenite tribes followed in their trail." ...
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The Israelis defend themselves from attack. When they conquer land as a result of being attacked, why should they be required to give it back?
 
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luthervol said:
I understand perfectly well.

A student posts a picture of himself holding a gun with a caption saying "I'm about to lose it." Should that be taken as a threat?

What if instead the caption said, "see you at school tomorrow."?

What if it said, "I'm taking out 19."

Should any of these be taken by school officials as threats?
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Now that I've demonstrated how easy it is to just honestly answer a question, I'll try again. No trap, just for the sake of discussion. How do you access each of the 3 scenarios above?
 
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luthervol said:
I don't think he did anything illegal (if that is the definition of wrong). He intentionally agitated a volatile situation. I highly doubt that his, or his father's, views and opinions were unknown prior to this incident. I can almost guarantee that there is more to this story than we know. If not, the school and the LEO over reacted and should be dealt with accordingly.
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It's interesting the different descriptions used for him compared to those taking a noble stand by social media and protest on the other side. Hypocritical comes to mind.

I absolutely believe there is more to why things went the way they did. He pointed out the failures of LE, which should have been front and center of the other side if you want to have an honest conversation about change. They saw a chance to gig him and they took it.

I'm glad he went public with the story. We now have a record of their actions in both cases. And see the failures of both.
 
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BeecherVol said:
It's interesting the different descriptions used for him compared to those taking a noble stand by social media and protest on the other side. Hypocritical comes to mind.

I absolutely believe there is more to why things went the way they did. He pointed out the failures of LE, which should have been front and center of the other side if you want to have an honest conversation about change. They saw a chance to gig him and they took it.

I'm glad he went public with the story. We now have a record of their actions in both cases. And see the failures of both.
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That's because in the court of public opinion, the gun nuts are losing. It's just another indication of the shifting tide. (It's not anti-gun, it's anti-gun nuts)
 
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luthervol said:
That's because in the court of public opinion, the gun nuts are losing. It's just another indication of the shifting tide. (It's not anti-gun, it's anti-gun nuts)
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Not really.

It's a lame attempt to silence people you don't agree with. Thus the reason why he should expect to be interrogated even tho as everyone including you know he did nothing wrong. Oh the d@mn out rage this profiling has caused in other instances. Obviously it depends on who is being profiled.

All this did was shed more light on the ineptness of the leaders and LE that are supposed to be drawing and enforcing these lines you can't find. Which is a more positive step that the gun talk.
 
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#5,941
It feels weird that the more public sentiment leans toward gun control, I lean away from it. I don't think I'm a contrarian, generally. But in this instance, I'm starting to sympathize witha position I didn't previously agree with.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really.

It's a lame attempt to silence people you don't agree with. Thus the reason why he should expect to be interrogated even tho as everyone including you know he did nothing wrong. Oh the d@mn out rage this profiling has caused in other instances. Obviously it depends on who is being profiled.

All this did was shed more light on the ineptness of the leaders and LE that are supposed to be drawing and enforcing these lines you can't find. Which is a more positive step that the gun talk.
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No one wants to silence the kid beyond the extent that they would prefer that he not glorify the weapon used to massacre their classmates.

Also, I have no problem with the line. It's you guys who will not even discuss it.
 
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apevol said:
It feels weird that the more public sentiment leans toward gun control, I lean away from it. I don't think I'm a contrarian, generally. But in this instance, I'm starting to sympathize witha position I didn't previously agree with.
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One of the known side effects of extended alcohol poisoning.
 
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apevol said:
It feels weird that the more public sentiment leans toward gun control, I lean away from it. I don't think I'm a contrarian, generally. But in this instance, I'm starting to sympathize witha position I didn't previously agree with.
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You're a critical thinker. Not driven by emotions.
 
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luthervol said:
No one wants to silence the kid beyond the extent that they would prefer that he not glorify the weapon used to massacre their classmates.

Also, I have no problem with the line. It's you guys who will not even discuss it.
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Of course you don't. He's an active, vocal, pro 2 guy. He's obviously a threat that "Something needs to be done about"

You can twist that however you like. It doesn't change the fact that they don't want him to steal their stage. And people like you don't want him to be heard.

You must be confusing me with some else. We discussed a line above. By the time we got done we or you rather (answering the questions) left a lot to the imagination in regards to the line.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Of course you don't. He's an active, vocal, pro 2 guy. He's obviously a threat that "Something needs to be done about"

You can twist that however you like. It doesn't change the fact that they don't want him to steal their stage. And people like you don't want him to be heard.

You must be confusing me with some else. We discussed a line above. By the time we got done we or you rather (answering the questions) left a lot to the imagination in regards to the line.
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I'm starting to better understand Ape's need of excess.
 
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