Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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hog88 said:
Mental illness is real but it has been made the scapegoat for bad parenting and a lack of discipline. “I can’t make little Johnny behave, let’s throw some pills down his throat so I don’t have to parent”.
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Man I was working on trying to form a post on this exact point. I just dropped and deleted it. And then saw yours. EXACTLY what I was trying to say.
 
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hog88 said:
Mental illness is real but it has been made the scapegoat for bad parenting and a lack of discipline. “I can’t make little Johnny behave, let’s throw some pills down his throat so I don’t have to parent”.
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My parents did that with my little brother. It was sad.
 
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hog88 said:
Worked well for centuries, how many kids shot up their schools 30-40 years ago?
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It damn sure did work well. One point of clarification though. Corporal punishment from a loving and engaged parent most definitely worked as far as I’m concerned. I got the hell beat out of me growing up and desperately deserved every instance and probably more. But I always knew my parents loved me and wanted what’s best for me.

Beating a kid to just beat the kid for no reason is just wrong.

But somewhere along the way our dumbass society came to the conclusion that corporal punishment equals child abuse. Absolutely stupid as hell.
 
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Weezer said:
Wrong is arbitrary. What I see as wrong and what you see as wrong will most likely differ because we are different people with different life experiences. And that's okay. It's okay to be an individual and not be in lockstep with everyone else. Just because you oppose someone else's ideas doesn't mean you should be able to shut them up. And that's what you appear to be arguing for. To shut this kid up because you oppose his view on guns. Why else argue that it's okay for school officers to intimidate him despite him doing nothing illegal?
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Once again I agree with everything you are saying up to the bolded part. I'm not advocating for shutting up the kid and I have never agreed that it is appropriate for school officers to intimidate him for what he did.

My stance has been that if you post videos of yourself firing an AR15 on social media you should just expect to have a "discussion" with an administrator or RO. Especially if you are a student from a school that suffered the most recent mass shooting with the use of an AR15 and on the very day that other students are walking our in remembrance and protest.

Certainly not because the kid did anything illegal, but because a significant number of people will view it as wrong.
 
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luthervol said:
Once again I agree with everything you are saying up to the bolded part. I'm not advocating for shutting up the kid and I have never agreed that it is appropriate for school officers to intimidate him for what he did.

My stance has been that if you post videos of yourself firing an AR15 on social media you should just expect to have a "discussion" with an administrator or RO. Especially if you are a student from a school that suffered the most recent mass shooting with the use of an AR15 and on the very day that other students are walking our in remembrance and protest.

Certainly not because the kid did anything illegal, but because a significant number of people will view it as wrong.
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And a bunch of people are pointing out just how wrong you are. Simply shooting a rifle at a gun range has zero harmful intent. Zero. If the kid showed pics of him shooting a rifle at the gun range with his dad every damn weekend it’s none of your damn business.

This is two simple things.

A) continued demonizing of the black gun the gun grabbers desperately hate for no valid rational reason.
B) another over reach by government and abuse of social media to harass and intimidate a citizen.

If people have 1a rights those rights most definitely extend to social media. And Kyle Kashuv was absolutely exercising his lawful 1a rights and showed no harmful intent. The BCSO violated those 1a rights solely because they didn’t like the message. End of story.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Man I was working on trying to form a post on this exact point. I just dropped and deleted it. And then saw yours. EXACTLY what I was trying to say.
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One thing that I can count on Hog for is beating me to the punch. He has usurped my thoughts and put them on the forum before I have a chance many times.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
It damn sure did work well. One point of clarification though. Corporal punishment from a loving and engaged parent most definitely worked as far as I’m concerned. I got the hell beat out of me growing up and desperately deserved every instance and probably more. But I always knew my parents loved me and wanted what’s best for me.

Beating a kid to just beat the kid for no reason is just wrong.

But somewhere along the way our dumbass society came to the conclusion that corporal punishment equals child abuse. Absolutely stupid as hell.
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Spare the rod, spoil the child.
 
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hog88 said:
We need to stop excusing bad behavior as a mental condition.
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Several recent shooters may have had known personality problems bordering on or actually identifiable as medically defined personality disorders which should preclude purchase of weapons.

If you're crazy, you don't get to buy a gun.

Some may have already owned a gun. Mental health methods to identify and treat those capable of killing may save lives in the long run.
 
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luthervol said:
Once again I agree with everything you are saying up to the bolded part. I'm not advocating for shutting up the kid and I have never agreed that it is appropriate for school officers to intimidate him for what he did.

My stance has been that if you post videos of yourself firing an AR15 on social media you should just expect to have a "discussion" with an administrator or RO. Especially if you are a student from a school that suffered the most recent mass shooting with the use of an AR15 and on the very day that other students are walking our in remembrance and protest.

Certainly not because the kid did anything illegal, but because a significant number of people will view it as wrong.
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He shouldn't expect an interrogation for doing nothing wrong and taking whatever stand he decides. Find a threat and you have a point. Until then it's a BS intimidation move.

Your last comment is rather concerning. That sounds convenient now but ridiculous later.
 
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luthervol said:
Once again I agree with everything you are saying up to the bolded part. I'm not advocating for shutting up the kid and I have never agreed that it is appropriate for school officers to intimidate him for what he did.

My stance has been that if you post videos of yourself firing an AR15 on social media you should just expect to have a "discussion" with an administrator or RO. Especially if you are a student from a school that suffered the most recent mass shooting with the use of an AR15 and on the very day that other students are walking our in remembrance and protest.

Certainly not because the kid did anything illegal, but because a significant number of people will view it as wrong.
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So to be clear, the kid who did absolutely nothing wrong should expect to be reprimanded, while the kids truant from school because they want to "protest" are celebrated? Thank you for furthering my belief we live in a ****ed up world.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, be careful tiptoeing that line...
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I mean think about that. There have been plenty of things over the years that were not illegal but a significant number of people have viewed as wrong. Being gay, interracial relationships, women working, etc. Luther you would have been a bang up Klansman. The majority defines your morality, and you’re ok with that.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I mean think about that. There have been plenty of things over the years that were not illegal but a significant number of people have viewed as wrong. Being gay, interracial relationships, women working, etc. Luther you would have been a bang up Klansman. The majority defines your morality, and you’re ok with that.
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Thanks for ruining the trap I was laying.
 
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Orangedogsrule said:
You are one pitifully ignorant person. To the point it's approaching deplorable wanton stupidity.

When was there ever a nation called Palestine? When were there ever national "Palestinian" citizens? Who became what are called "Palestinians"? Why is the vast majority "Palestinians" Muslim Arabs?

They may well be Arabs, but to claim they are decended from an indigenous people is simply not true. They are as diverse in their nation of origin as is possible.

More specifically, as the Jordan/Palestine region of Syria, a province of the defeated Ottoman Empire (caliphate), was conquered and became a British territory post WW1, the British Mandate and the establishment of Israel is completely legal. Since 1947, Israel has been repeatedly attacked but has defeated every aggressor surrounding nation and conquered territory surrounding them.


Were the Arabs Indigenous to Mandatory Palestine? | Middle East Forum



The Israelis defend themselves from attack. When they conquer land as a result of being attacked, why should they be required to give it back?
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The land taken was the staging areas for attack. The conquered lands are all of strategic importance. Giving it back is asking to be attacked again.
 
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