Maybe it wasn't Sunseri's defense afterall?

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AZVOLSFAN said:
In Wilcox's last year at UT, his defense finished 30th in the country, in total defense. Then last year under Sunseri the defense was 90-something, in total defense. This year who knows. But why the sudden drop-off? From 2011, Wilcox, to 2012, Sunseri, the defense fell on it's face. And now in 2013 it still can't get up.
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So look at the players lost after 2011
 
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I'm nowhere sold on Sunseri, but he had 3 years of these players life to teach them how to be good footbal players... and we expect Jancek to work miracles in 2/3rds of a year? I don't mind the shceme or defensive playcalling (not happy with DBs playing soft) I'm worried about how thjey mature into good players. The talent dfinitely has something to do with it but Sunseri didn't do one good thing here. Also people it's freaking Auburn not Troy.
 
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orangefreak21 said:
Fsu and bama have more talent, yes.
He was LB coach at bama and DE coach at fsu.


Sunseri doesn't call any plays at fsu and didn't call any at bama. As our D coordinator he called that pile of **** last year, though
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Oooh, comeback!
 
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Other_Guy said:
I'm nowhere sold on Sunseri, but he had 3 years of these players life to teach them how to be good footbal players... and we expect Jancek to work miracles in 2/3rds of a year? I don't mind the shceme or defensive playcalling (not happy with DBs playing soft) I'm worried about how thjey mature into good players. The talent dfinitely has something to do with it but Sunseri didn't do one good thing here. Also people it's freaking Auburn not Troy.
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Sunseri was only at U.T. for one year (12 games).
 
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perico said:
I don't have a doubt that Sunseri is a decent coach, but we have players who were recruited for a 4-3 converted to a 3-4 and then switched back to a 4-3 after a year of recruiting for a 3-4.

It's confusing to even think about, and probably more so for the players. Even the seniors who are now on their 4th DC in 5 years.
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I don't always agree with you, Perico, but this is one of the most accurate, rational, and non emotional analysis of our defense...and why it's where/how it is right now.

Kudos to you Sir...
 
#35
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Yankee_Vol said:
There's a reason Jancek and Martinez weren't in the SEC anymore
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What concerns me about these guys is that Martinez was the sole defensive coord at Georgia from 2005-2008. Jancek, a Georgia linebacker coach, was named co-def coordinator at Georgia to help a struggling Martinez in 2009. They both got fired by Richt after that year.

I think that Martinez went to Oklahoma in 2010 to be secondary coach for 2 years, and then to Auburn in 2012, where he was not retained when Chizik was fired.

Jancek went to Cincinnati in 2010, where he was co-defensive coordinator with Tim Banks for 2 years. Banks was named defensive co-ord at Illinois after those 2 years. After that, Jancek was promoted to defensive coordinator at Cincinnati in 2012. Jancek had not been the sole def co for the previous 7 seasons. His last run at that was in 2004 at Central Mich, under Brian Kelley. Butch Jones was off. co-ord on that team.
 
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1972 Grad said:
What concerns me about these guys is that Martinez was the sole defensive coord at Georgia from 2005-2008. Jancek, a Georgia linebacker coach, was named co-def coordinator at Georgia to help a struggling Martinez in 2009. They both got fired by Richt after that year.

I think that Martinez went to Oklahoma in 2010 to be secondary coach for 2 years, and then to Auburn in 2012, where he was not retained when Chizik was fired.

Jancek went to Cincinnati in 2010, where he was co-defensive coordinator with Tim Banks for 2 years. Banks was named defensive co-ord at Illinois after those 2 years. After that, Jancek was promoted to defensive coordinator at Cincinnati in 2012. Jancek had not been the sole def co for the previous 7 seasons. His last run at that was in 2004 at Central Mich, under Brian Kelley. Butch Jones was off. co-ord on that team.
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This is the most concerning part to me.
 
#37
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PrattvilleVol said:
Sunseri did well at Alabama and is doing well at FSU. The obvious difference is talent.
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The common denominator is and was that he's not the DC in either case.

He's fine in a limited role and lost when he's in full charge.
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BeecherVol said:
The common denominator is and was that he's not the DC in either case.

He's fine in a limited role and lost when he's in full charge.
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This is how I feel about Dooley. As a position/special teams coach or recruiting coordinator he's good (and the NFL and Saban seem to agree), but more power than that and it's what we saw.

But I will never shake the fact that had we paid Wilcox what he was worth (for our defense at least), we still have Dooley, potentially for a long time.
 
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Wilcox had most of these same players when they were freshmen and sophomores and they allowed 340 yards a game. Sunseri came along and that went up to 471. In comes Jancek at 438 with two games left.
 
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arkyvol said:
even the t.v. announcers were saying things like the vol defense had given up; the tackling was "atrocious"; and there was a glaring disparity in team speed. it was one of the more pitiful displays i've seen by the vols in neyland (and I've been watching since bowden wyatt was head coach).
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They also commented on one of the touchdowns that Auburn scored the the ball boy on the Auburn sideline was running down the sideline with the Auburn player, yet our guys couldn't keep up with him. I remember that vividly because I noticed it just before they said it.
 
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This one seemed pretty simple to me. One of the best running teams in the country, and we played a balanced defense against them. Idiotic. Stack the box. Make them throw. And before the "you can't do that, you have to protect your lousy dbs so they don't gash you with the pass" crowd joins in: they gashed us with the run. Statistically, our weakness all year has been run defense. Watching the games it feels like guys are running wide open time and again, but we're actually only allowing 53% completion and big plays are way down from last year. However, we give up 5.5 yards per carry, which is 118th in the country. Knowing this, why in the world would you not stack the box?
 
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perico said:
I don't have a doubt that Sunseri is a decent coach, but we have players who were recruited for a 4-3 converted to a 3-4 and then switched back to a 4-3 after a year of recruiting for a 3-4.

It's confusing to even think about, and probably more so for the players. Even the seniors who are now on their 4th DC in 5 years.
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That shouldn't be a problem unless you are a 350 lb noseguard.
 
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vtvol98 said:
Just the talent level and effort of the players.
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I am not sure how much we lost from 2011 to 2012, but the 2011 D looked so much better than 2012.

This year's D looked better until the last three games, all of which were against top 10 opponents and two of them on the road.

I still think we should have played much better yesterday, but they have two games to wipe out the bad taste of the last three weeks.

Let's hope they "get er done".
 
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samiam9110 said:
Didn't Wilcox & Doolander get out played by a third string QB/WR @Kentucky...
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That loss is on Bray and Da'Rick. Those 2 knuckleheads decided they didn't want to go to a bowl game and threw the game.
 
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vtvol98 said:
Just the talent level and effort of the players.
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Umm, no, it was definitely Sunseri's D. You don't double the avg pts allowed in one season with basically the same players and it not relate to the coaching.
 
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