Maybe time to reappraise the Passing woes

#27
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Cartervol said:
Play the kids then. I noticed Bama adjusted their coverage after halftime.. Probably should have went to the short dumps and throws to the TE. We're setting a lot of future talent on the bench right now. You'd think that at least one or two of them could help.. Need a better TE. Castles and Warren are serviceable and that's about it. Probably play for blocking purposes more.. We need a pass catcher in that spot.
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I completely agree with this. The receiving group has been mostly lackluster this season…and lost one of its consistent producers when Bru went down.

Open up every job and open up the competition.
 
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TNStudMuffin said:
I don't ever make it to games to get a full field view, but my friends that still do go tell me they have see guys running wide open many times this year that get completely ignored by Milton.
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That happens on occasion against the UTSA's and Austin Peays. But in all the SEC games so far our receivers aren't even close to being open on the vast majority of plays.
 
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What I see… the receivers are getting open but Joe is late with the throws or hesitates and doesn’t throw or tries to fire a bullet in there..
many times I’ve seen him lock on a receiver to only have a receiver running wide open 10 yards down the field…and he never finds them…
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
That happens on occasion against the UTSA's and Austin Peays. But in all the SEC games so far our receivers aren't even close to being open on the vast majority of plays.
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Not true. Go back and watch the games. We have people open but Joe cannot find them. One difference between Joe and Hendon is that Hooker would throw a pass in anticipation of a receiver getting open and would “throw him open” (I.e. throw to the spot to lead the receiver to). Joe typically waits until the receiver is already open and then throws. By the time the ball gets there, he may or may not still be open. Joe’s decision making is slower. Watch the 2022 and 2023 Bama games and you will see a difference in the way Hooker throws vs Milton.
 
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" Coaches can't trust JM" This debate has been going on all season. If you can't trust your QB to implement the passing game, why have him in there at all ? If your qb is that lacking in skill sets, it makes going for it on 4th and short even harder to understand. I still say going with the passing game offers a better chance of success than what we saw in the 2nd half yesterday. We're half way thur the season, why are our receivers struggling in running routes? IMHO the run game can only work if the passing game opens it up= No passing threat, no run game
 
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volfeeva said:
" Coaches can't trust JM" This debate has been going on all season. If you can't trust your QB to implement the passing game, why have him in there at all ? If your qb is that lacking in skill sets, it makes going for it on 4th and short even harder to understand. I still say going with the passing game offers a better chance of success than what we saw in the 2nd half yesterday. We're half way thur the season, why are our receivers struggling in running routes? IMHO the run game can only work if the passing game opens it up= No passing threat, no run game
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The most popular argument for not playing Nico is….. he may get hurt. Imagine that. My argument is if nobody played football, then no one would get hurt playing football. Nobody, including CJH, knows how the kid will play when the lights come on and it’s game time. That’s something you just can’t measure or anticipate. We have had plenty of evidence of what Milton does in this situation, and it just isn’t winning production out of the qb spot on an SEC team
 
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ftsandersvol said:
It’s telling that Squirrel got the mismatch we wanted with an outside linebacker (WR on a LB) and he didn’t smoke him by 10 yards. I know the LB was probably a 5*, but no way he should be able to keep up with a WR. Is Squirrel just not as fast as advertised? Also, were we unable to exploit the same mismatch the rest of the game?
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What the hell are you talking about?
Squirrel had 10 receptions on 12 targets for 111 yards
 
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Cartervol said:
Play the kids then. I noticed Bama adjusted their coverage after halftime.. Probably should have went to the short dumps and throws to the TE. We're setting a lot of future talent on the bench right now. You'd think that at least one or two of them could help.. Need a better TE. Castles and Warren are serviceable and that's about it. Probably play for blocking purposes more.. We need a pass catcher in that spot.
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I feel like Castles has caught most of his targets but doesn't get many he did score a TD and he is fast for a TE. The only thing about Castles he's got 2 penalties this year on blocking one a questionable crackback ( UF Game) that negated a 1st down and a 41 yard gain and another holding vs A&M that negated a 1st down run & that one was ticky tack IMO. Warren didn't seem to jump on the pass that was in endzone that was just over his fingertips but he may have not been in the right stride to jump for it. My biggest thing is their both RS Seniors and we will probably have to go to portal to experience or be starting a raw TE next year.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
I guess I used too many big words in my post. I was talking about a player that should not be fast enough to keep up with our player keeping up with our player.
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You'd think he'd have 5 yards on the LB.

Reminds me of what a comedian said...Have you ever noticed all these world class football players with world class speed such as RBs and WRs. Yet out of shape 50 year old refs beat them to the goal line. LOL
 
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Pickle1 said:
I think Milton locks in on one receiver and doesn’t have a clue where anyone else is on the field.
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I noticed when he does this he doesn't use his eyes, but his whole head. I can tell where he is throwing from from 375 miles away.
 
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Excellent points OP. Every replay we saw Saturday had Bama DBs all over the Vol WRs. 2nd half Bama increased the pressure & JM had no where to go with the ball.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
It’s telling that Squirrel got the mismatch we wanted with an outside linebacker (WR on a LB) and he didn’t smoke him by 10 yards. I know the LB was probably a 5*, but no way he should be able to keep up with a WR. Is Squirrel just not as fast as advertised? Also, were we unable to exploit the same mismatch the rest of the game?
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Squirrel slowed down mid route.
 
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volfeeva said:
" Coaches can't trust JM" This debate has been going on all season. If you can't trust your QB to implement the passing game, why have him in there at all ? If your qb is that lacking in skill sets, it makes going for it on 4th and short even harder to understand. I still say going with the passing game offers a better chance of success than what we saw in the 2nd half yesterday. We're half way thur the season, why are our receivers struggling in running routes? IMHO the run game can only work if the passing game opens it up= No passing threat, no run game
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They trusted him enough Sat in the 1st half. Guy had 271yrds passing and 59 rushing for the game. Also threw a TD right before the half so they had momentum
Why the staff went away from our style of play in the 2nd half is baffling.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
I guess I used too many big words in my post. I was talking about a player that should not be fast enough to keep up with our player keeping up with our player.
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He was able to keep up because 1. Our receivers are not explosive. 2. The tune horrible routes, even the TD to squirrel he rounded off both cuts which allows a slower 250 over to keep in step. 3. The dont make cuts in thier routes they round them off, Keyton made sharp cuts on the come backs and was wide open..normally is a small loop...JM needs to be perfect in the minds of yall while everyone else gets a pass on piss poor play
 
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In other games, I've seen WR's running wide open and Joe doesn't hit them. The coaches don't trust him, and he doesn't trust himself, and maybe he doesn't trust the receivers with all the drops.

Against Bama, I mean, when you are allowed to maul receivers, push them out of bounds, hold them, and put hands on them, it's hard for even Jerry Rice to get open.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
It’s telling that Squirrel got the mismatch we wanted with an outside linebacker (WR on a LB) and he didn’t smoke him by 10 yards. I know the LB was probably a 5*, but no way he should be able to keep up with a WR. Is Squirrel just not as fast as advertised? Also, were we unable to exploit the same mismatch the rest of the game?
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Dude, he burned him for the first touchdown.
 
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Cartervol said:
Play the kids then. I noticed Bama adjusted their coverage after halftime.. Probably should have went to the short dumps and throws to the TE. We're setting a lot of future talent on the bench right now. You'd think that at least one or two of them could help.. Need a better TE. Castles and Warren are serviceable and that's about it. Probably play for blocking purposes more.. We need a pass catcher in that spot.
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Ethan Davis looked super athletic in spring practice. He will be great for us is he can stay healthy.
 
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ftsandersvol said:
It’s telling that Squirrel got the mismatch we wanted with an outside linebacker (WR on a LB) and he didn’t smoke him by 10 yards. I know the LB was probably a 5*, but no way he should be able to keep up with a WR. Is Squirrel just not as fast as advertised? Also, were we unable to exploit the same mismatch the rest of the game?
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On that play, Squirrel had him by two yds. and the LB closed the gap and almost broke it up.
 
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TheVolsFrog said:
They trusted him enough Sat in the 1st half. Guy had 271yrds passing and 59 rushing for the game. Also threw a TD right before the half so they had momentum
Why the staff went away from our style of play in the 2nd half is baffling.
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It's not the staff going away from a style. It's the defense adjusting and Milton being unable to do the same. He made a bunch of throws and hit a few tough ones in the first half. He made none of the throws in the 2nd half. He holds the ball and is late all the time because he just doesn't anticipate throws or process fast enough. He doesn't get a lot of help from his pass protection sometimes, but he severely limits what a play caller can do because everything has to be one read stuff that he has to see before he throws it.
 
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