McCain's ties to former KKK member

#27
#27
TennNC said:
McCain has worked closely on many occasions with Sen. Robert Byrd, D-W. Va.

They are both in the so-called "Gang of 14" in the US Senate together. They also have co-sponsored legislation and amendments together during their many years serving the Senate together.

Byrd was an active KKK member and leader until about 1947, when John McCain was 11 years old.

Should we question McCain's affiliations? Do we know the real John McCain?



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Or should we see this tactic for what it is, a pathetic, baseless attempt to discredit someone b/c you're out of options?
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The Ayers stuff must really worry you........

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#29
#29
KB5252 said:
John McCain does not owe his political career to Byrd. Obama certainly does owe his in a large part to people like Ayers, Wright and others involved in socialist and racist groups like ACORN and the like. There is a very large distinction here but I'm sure you know that.

With McCain you know what you are going to get. His career in public service is a matter of record and there for everyone to see.

Obama on the other hand has no real record to fall back on. He has tried to keep his days as an ACORN activist in the background and away from public scrutiny for a reason. He has had to disavow every last person he was involved with before his campaign for a reason, they are anti American, racist, extremists or all of the above.

Bottom line is with Obama we don't know what he's serving for dinner, some of us can smell it from the next room though, and it ain't good.
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can't argue with that. on the money. :salute:
 
#30
#30
hohenfelsvol said:
You referred to folks changing their mind only because of color. And the polls have been known to be very wrong. So, I don't trust them either way.
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if the polls are wrong that means the people they are polling are lying. my conclusion is the only reason why they would lie is because they don't want to be seen as racist or perhaps they are lying to themselves that they would vote for obama.
 
#31
#31
droski said:
if the polls are wrong that means the people they are polling are lying. my conclusion is the only reason why they would lie is because they don't want to be seen as racist or perhaps they are lying to themselves that they would vote for obama.
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THere are still a few weeks before the election. Many people may change their minds as they learn more about Obama.
 
#32
#32
I've never been polled in my life, and I don't know anyone who has. I think it's just a way to make the process more exciting for people who don't know s%#$.
 
#33
#33
droski said:
if the polls are wrong that means the people they are polling are lying. my conclusion is the only reason why they would lie is because they don't want to be seen as racist or perhaps they are lying to themselves that they would vote for obama.
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or they are choosing worthless samples of the population, which is most often the reason for the errors.
 
#36
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BigPapaVol said:
or they are choosing worthless samples of the population, which is most often the reason for the errors.
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This is why it's important to use composite polling to determine the real state of the race. Any one poll could be wrong for various reasons, but an average of all of the polls (i.e. Poll of polls) is much more reliable.

For the record, the pollsters (composite) were within a few points of the final results in 2000 and 2004. As a general rule, these guys are pretty good at what they do. Of course, in a close race, it's harder to determine a winner, but this race doesn't appear to be that close anymore.

Until, the pollsters (as a whole) start getting it wrong on a regular basis, then I see no reason to deny their accuracy.

Anyone interested in non-stop polling analysis should check out Pollster.com or FiveThirtyEight.com which provide detailed breakdowns nationally and state by state. RealClearPolitics.com also has a composite polling section, but b/c they cherry pick their polls, some have accused them of bias.
 
#37
#37
Seems some of you didn't understand the original post.

To Clarify:

Linking Obama to Ayers' disgraceful past (when Obama was 8) is as silly as linking McCain to Byrd's disgraceful past (when McCain was 11). The reaction many of you had to the ridiculous "guilt by association" attempt with McCain-Byrd is how the majority of voters feels about trying to link Obama to Ayers. It's dumb. And people realize it. It doesn't work and won't work.
 
#38
#38
TennNC said:
Seems some of you didn't understand the original post.

To Clarify:

Linking Obama to Ayers' disgraceful past (when Obama was 8) is as silly as linking McCain to Byrd's disgraceful past (when McCain was 11). The reaction many of you had to the ridiculous "guilt by association" attempt with McCain-Byrd is how the majority of voters feels about trying to link Obama to Ayers. It's dumb. And people realize it. It doesn't work and won't work.
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I think you're dismissing the Ayers association too simply. It might not amount to anything in this election, but it's not the innocuous happenstance meeting that you imply here.
 
#39
#39
droski said:
if the polls are wrong that means the people they are polling are lying. my conclusion is the only reason why they would lie is because they don't want to be seen as racist or perhaps they are lying to themselves that they would vote for obama.
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People lie? Get out of there?

You make it sound so simple but you know better then that. Who are they polling? Where are the polling? What time of day are polling? What questions are they asking? Etc. Etc. Etc.
 
#40
#40
BigPapaVol said:
I think you're dismissing the Ayers association too simply. It might not amount to anything in this election, but it's not the innocuous happenstance meeting that you imply here.
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how about one policy, one statement that proves what Ayers did decades ago would have a negative effect on what Obama would do as president. anything.
 
#42
#42
TennNC said:
Linking Obama to Ayers' disgraceful past (when Obama was 8) is as silly as linking McCain to Byrd's disgraceful past (when McCain was 11).
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That is a really, REALLY weak argument.
 
#43
#43
TennNC said:
Seems some of you didn't understand the original post.

To Clarify:

Linking Obama to Ayers' disgraceful past (when Obama was 8) is as silly as linking McCain to Byrd's disgraceful past (when McCain was 11). The reaction many of you had to the ridiculous "guilt by association" attempt with McCain-Byrd is how the majority of voters feels about trying to link Obama to Ayers. It's dumb. And people realize it. It doesn't work and won't work.
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Again, McCain didn't launch his political career with Byrd and was never a political ally. Obama's ties to Ayers are of a personal nature (why else would he launch his career at Ayers house) as are many of his other mentors over the years. It is not just one bad apple, he has a history of surrounding himself with people who do not have America's best interests at heart. This is a fact and is not debatable!
 
#44
#44
TennNC said:
how about one policy, one statement that proves what Ayers did decades ago would have a negative effect on what Obama would do as president. anything.
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He associated with a terroist for political purposes. This is getting out of hand...if you reach any further on this you're going to pull something.
 
#45
#45
KB5252 said:
Again, McCain didn't launch his political career with Byrd and was never a political ally. Obama's ties to Ayers are of a personal nature (why else would he launch his career at Ayers house) as are many of his other mentors over the years. It is not just one bad apple, he has a history of surrounding himself with people who do not have America's best interests at heart. This is a fact and is not debatable!
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keating.
 
#46
#46
I don't care what color either of the candidates is..I could care less. I think it's unfortunate that too often, people take one issue, like the economy (although extremely important) and forget about the other things these candidates believe in. I want a leader with character. Do some research on partial-birth abortion and what is currently happening with babies who are aborted, but still alive and if you are not left with a sick feeling in your stomach, there is something wrong. Next, research how each of the candidates feel about the issue. I don't really like either candidate, but as a mother of 3, I have to look at all of the issues and make a decision I can be proud of.
 
#49
#49
My signature is on the charter members list at the John Glenn Institute at the Ohio State University.

I was working at Ohio State at the time and I was working the dedication event and they let the guys working sign it.
 
#50
#50
Headed For Home said:
THere are still a few weeks before the election. Many people may change their minds as they learn more about Obama.
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Wishful thinking on your part, people have had months of Obama being very prevalent in the public arena. Still, the polls are trending heavily towards him. Four weeks is not enough time for him to lose this election unless he blows up a hospital.
 
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