McCollough indicted

[#1fulmerite]

UT football player Jaylen McCollough indicted in October apartment incident

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So, there was enough evidence to make a/the judge believe the jury should decide the case.?.?

Seems to me he believed the victim over McMollough and roommate. I wonder if the prosecutor pressured the witness enough that story changed. I feel bad for all involved!

 

[youcancallmeAl]

UT football player Jaylen McCollough indicted in October apartment incident

SIAP

So, there was enough evidence to make a/the judge believe the jury should decide the case.?.?

Seems to me he believed the victim over McMollough and roommate. I wonder if the prosecutor pressured the witness enough that story changed. I feel bad for all involved!

Yikes. Seems ridiculous to wait this long and then issue an indictment. We'll, at least we might get the whole truth about the incident.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

UT football player Jaylen McCollough indicted in October apartment incident

SIAP

So, there was enough evidence to make a/the judge believe the jury should decide the case.?.?

Seems to me he believed the victim over McMollough and roommate. I wonder if the prosecutor pressured the witness enough that story changed. I feel bad for all involved!

Indictments come from a grand jury, there was enough evidence to convince a grand jury that there was probable cause to believe McCullough committed the charged crime(s).

 

[firedog28]

Indictments come from a grand jury, there was enough evidence to convince a grand jury that there was probable cause to believe McCullough committed the charged crime(s).

There is an old saying about indictments. You can get one on a ham sandwich !

 

[Franklin_Vol09]

All prosecution case to the Grand Jury. Zero exculpatory evidence presented either.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

If I remember correctly the “victim” gave his statement while hammered during the daytime after the incident, while drinking. Also, said “victim” entered the wrong apartment more than once? Am I remembering this correctly?

 

[Remy]

Indictments come from a grand jury, there was enough evidence to convince a grand jury that there was probable cause to believe McCullough committed the charged crime(s).

it could be that simple. But frequently grand juries are made up of citizens known to the DA. IF and that’s a big IF, the DA has a hard on for UT football players or McCullough personally he could have awaited for a new grand jury to be seated to hang ‘em high. I have zero faith in our injustice system these days. I’m talking zero.

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

I mean it’s a grand jury. The Duke lacrosse players were indicted by a grand jury too. Amazing how easy it is to get an indictment when only one side speaks

 

[pimo1]

All prosecution case to the Grand Jury. Zero exculpatory evidence presented either.

it is very rare indictments are not passed...because as you said they are just presenting accusations and theories assuming guilt there is no one there saying 'but he had a solid alibi'

 

[Enki_Amenra]

Seems there is some video evidence that has been considered.

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

it could be that simple. But frequently grand juries are made up of citizens known to the DA. IF and that’s a big IF, the DA has a hard on for UT football players or McCullough personally he could have awaited for a new grand jury to be seated to hang ‘em high. I have zero faith in our injustice system these days. I’m talking zero.

Procedurally, if it's an "indictment" it's a grand jury that made the probable cause determination, not a judge, that's the extent of my comment, just clarifying the procedure for the poster I was responding to (who was wondering).

 

[Briscovol]

Procedurally, if it's an "indictment" it's a grand jury that made the probable cause determination, not a judge, that's the extent of my comment, just clarifying the procedure for the poster I was responding to (who was wondering).

Probable cause is a long way from proof beyond a reasonable doubt

 

[unfrozencvmanvol]

There is an old saying about indictments. You can get one on a ham sandwich !View attachment 557446View attachment 557446

That's what people always say who want to poo poo an indictment and if it's someone they don't like who has been indicted they act like it's a conviction. Most prosecutors won't put a case up to a grand jury unless they think there is probable cause or if they think it's a tough call. I've prosecuted and have seen grand juries no bill (i.e not indict). It's true that in many cases an indictment is fairly easy to get because probable cause is a low standard. However I have seen some of those cases where you put up one of those tough call cases and they come to their own decision because that's what you want them to (i.e. give you a second opinion from a group of citizens).

At the end of the day, what does it mean? Nothing more than it has been legally determined there is enough evidence "probable cause" (again low standard) to move on to the next phase. Probable cause does not equal guilt beyond a reasonable doubt, McCullough is still presumed innocent in the eyes of the law.

 

[VolsCigarMan]

This is ridiculous! Use his NIL money to pay for the new teeth of the victim and settle this out of court with a deal. We have thugs shooting people for goodness sake in Chicago and NY and other large cities and out on bond the next day or a slap on the wrist. This is minor compared to that! The kid admitted he was drunk and walked into the wrong apartment and became hostile so McCullough has a right to defend himself and his apartment. Here in Florida the drunk kid could have easily been shot with stand your ground law and McCullough would have never been charged in Florida.

 

[Just a VolinTears]

In my research of the case, McCullough was defending his apartment from an unwanted intruder. And I can bet you the intruder didn't simply "walk into the wrong building"

 

[tennrich1]

I don’t know either way but the way justice is going in our country…nothing seems legit anymore. Proverbs talks about what happens to a nation when the innocent are punished and the guilt are walking free. And I think we’re reaping the fruits of that from sea to shining sea. Hope truth prevails for McCollugh whichever category he falls in.

 

[GoVols1961]

Both parties have a completely different story as to how this went down. Obviously, someone is lying. The proper thing to do is give the case to a jury to decide. Each man is entitled to his day in court.

 

[PlanetVolunteer]

Prolly won't end up a big deal

 

[lukeneyland]

Shouldn’t have gone to someone else’s living space and picked a fight.

 

[lukeneyland]

it could be that simple. But frequently grand juries are made up of citizens known to the DA. IF and that’s a big IF, the DA has a hard on for UT football players or McCullough personally he could have awaited for a new grand jury to be seated to hang ‘em high. I have zero faith in our injustice system these days. I’m talking zero.

I’ve always scoffed when people referred to it as the “justice” system. It’s the Legal System, justice isn’t the point

 

[OrngeJuiceJones]

This will be a big nothing burger imo

 

[DirtyBirdEarl]

Crazy he was ever charged. In Florida he could have killed Ole boy n stand ur ground law would have covered him

 

[GoVols1961]

Wether it was 30 feet outside the apartment as Spencer claims, or 2 feet outside the apartment as McCollough claims, the point is they were outside the apartment. Why didn't McCollough just shut the door, lock it, and go back to whatever he was doing? He bought himself a whole lot of trouble for what?

 

[VAVol85]

Wether it was 30 feet outside the apartment as Spencer claims, or 2 feet outside the apartment as McCollough claims, the point is they were outside the apartment. Why didn't McCollough just shut the door, lock it, and go back to whatever he was doing? He bought himself a whole lot of trouble for what?

I would probably have done the same thing as McCollough and would now be asking myself the same question you are asking. Being able to think rationally and strategically in the heat of the moment is a valuable skill and one that is hard to develop (at least for me).

 

[KTrain]

I was on a Grand Jury 15 years ago for 3 months we indicted every case brought before us, I think 103 cases. IMO there nothing Grand about it just a step that is almost pre-dictated. I had heard the words Grand Jury all my life not knowing much about the system, I thought it was really a privilege to be on the Grand Jury. I was basically shaking my head when it was over.