McCollough indicted

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KTrain said:
I was on a Grand Jury 15 years ago for 3 months we indicted every case brought before us, I think 103 cases. IMO there nothing Grand about it just a step that is almost pre-dictated. I had heard the words Grand Jury all my life not knowing much about the system, I though it was really a privilege to be on the Grand Jury. I was basically shaking my head when it was over.
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Grand Juries have a lot of power that they never use. They aren't supposed to simply be a prosecutor's rubber stamp.
 
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Not the craziest thing for an intoxicated person to stumble into the wrong apartment. If he leaves immediately then its no harm, no foul.

Him not leaving and being multiple buildings away from where he allegedly was trying to go tells me he was going to rob the place and was so drunk he thought he could fight McCollough. When Burrell and the GF come out he retreats but as alcohol does he continues the bad decisions and threats that he wants back in.

I believe this was probably "hold me back" type behavior. But McCollough had every right to take it serious.

If he intentionally punched him down the stairs then its a bigger deal, and I do think McCollough should still get a slap on the wrist since he could've shut the door and call the cops.

The biggest piece of damning evidence against the intruder's story imo is that was holding a bottle of alcohol while he gave the police his statement!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And I said this before. If this is allowed to play out, then in the city of Knoxville, people are going to shoot intruders instead of fist fight.
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I have been taught from a young age, know Your state laws and if the person has to be in your house make sure you shoot quickly once the cross the threshold to your house then ask questions, Tank should have beat him to a pulp the first time he entered and would not leave.
 
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I have served on the Grand Jory twice.

Both times, we indicted a Can of Ham.

You only hear one side of story. And, it only takes 12 of 13 votes to indict.

The way the system is set-up, it would be extremely unusual to not rubber stamp something along.
 
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GoVols1961 said:
Opening an unlocked door isn't exactly "busting into your home". He's intoxicated, opens the door, and walks into the wrong apartment. Does he really deserve to have his face caved in? McCullough wasn't in any danger. He went off when Spencer said "you don't have to be a dick about it". I believe the street name for that is "disrespect". That's exactly what happened.
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Possibly, but here again, McCollough has his own side of the story....

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CeJayVols said:
This is ridiculous! Use his NIL money to pay for the new teeth of the victim and settle this out of court with a deal. We have thugs shooting people for goodness sake in Chicago and NY and other large cities and out on bond the next day or a slap on the wrist. This is minor compared to that! The kid admitted he was drunk and walked into the wrong apartment and became hostile so McCullough has a right to defend himself and his apartment. Here in Florida the drunk kid could have easily been shot with stand your ground law and McCullough would have never been charged in Florida.
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Wait....is this about politics or football. I've got some wyt on wyt crime statistics in My back pocket. If You tell Me where You're from, I could look those in your area too.
 
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sjt18 said:
Grand Juries have a lot of power that they never use. They aren't supposed to simply be a prosecutor's rubber stamp.
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There is what's supposed to be and what is REALITY. grand juries are rarely populated by legal scholars just a bunch of people hearing nothing but bad stuff about the accused and wanting to go home. In a grand jury situation, you're basically only hearing accusations.. what a person is accused of.. there is no defense there. The grand Jury is pretty much just like the evening news...If it pops up on the evening news that I did naughty, unspeakable things to cacti or something even more beloved by the public Im guilty. Even when I prove it was in fact a fern and consensual people for years will see me and think im the guy that did a cactus.
 
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GoVols1961 said:
Opening an unlocked door isn't exactly "busting into your home". He's intoxicated, opens the door, and walks into the wrong apartment. Does he really deserve to have his face caved in? McCullough wasn't in any danger. He went off when Spencer said "you don't have to be a dick about it". I believe the street name for that is "disrespect". That's exactly what happened.
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To be frank, you have no idea what happened. Let’s play a different “exactly what happened” game. Drunk guy was checking for unlocked doors to steal something, walks into Tank’s apartment, runs his mouth, after he leaves continues to hang around the outside of the apartments until he gets punched in mouth.
 
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DaddyChad said:
To be frank, you have no idea what happened. Let’s play a different “exactly what happened” game. Drunk guy was checking for unlocked doors to steal something, walks into Tank’s apartment, runs his mouth, after he leaves continues to hang around the outside of the apartments until he gets punched in mouth.
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That would be assault. Seriously that was your hypothetical?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Possibly, but here again, McCollough has his own side of the story....

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There is also the fact that Mccolough has 2 non intoxicated witnesses to corroborate his story. Add to that that on their faces if you read the 2 accounts...1 sounds like the rantings of a drunk guy and the other account makes perfect sense. In front of a jury unless there is some totally different witness or evidence (camera footage) there is no way any prosecutor could prove Tank was in the wrong beyond a reasonable doubt.

Of this went to trial...but this is the problem with the justice system. The DA knows that and still does not care because they still have leverage. Until this is resolved Tanks football career hangs in the balance. They will play chicken with him to see if he flinches and cops a plea or has this hanging over his head for months. Its not a murder case so it will likely get resolved in months instead of years but its still there now. Its kind of say they took AJ through this crap, the former NFL kid from FSU just beat a murder case on some similar clout chasing DA.I have personally faced a similar legal situation though I have zero fame I was lucky enough to have the resources to get my situation sorted but it cost me a lot of money to prove my innocence. What scares me is the fact this happens to people that dont have the fame or resources to fight this type of thing. Its horrifying being a young black male in the legal system. I almost made a bad decision to take a bad deal instead of standing my ground. But most people dont have that luxury. Most people in prison and jail are there on plea deals..the vast majority.

Food for thought. Innocent people dont usually have lawyers on retainer. Most people here in these forums if they got arrested tonight and were forced to say i want a lawyer would have no idea what to do next. Scary thought huh? Just remember that when judging folks in these news stories.
 
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DaddyChad said:
To be frank, you have no idea what happened. Let’s play a different “exactly what happened” game. Drunk guy was checking for unlocked doors to steal something, walks into Tank’s apartment, runs his mouth, after he leaves continues to hang around the outside of the apartments until he gets punched in mouth.
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I'm going by what McCollough and Burrell testified to. I have no idea what you are basing your hypothetical on. Some of their behavior doesn't match their words. The prosecutor is going to bring that up. Watch the hearing. It's on youtube.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
And I said this before. If this is allowed to play out, then in the city of Knoxville, people are going to shoot intruders instead of fist fight.
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Home owners already do here in Florida with stand your ground law. But unfortunately people have also shot people and then tried to say it was stand your ground when it clearly wasn't. But everything I have read about this is the kid was drunk and went into the wrong apt and got a a$% whooping instead of shot and looks like the police are just charging it to allow the court to decide. If I was McCullough just use some NIL money and buy the kid some new teeth and settle this out of court with a plea. Even if he thinks he is totally innocent he can probably settle this with a plea deal and maybe some community service or something. If you go to trial then anything can happen and the drunk kid can play drama and tell the jury how he can't sleep at night and scared for life, etc....
 
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VolDaddy61 said:
Wait....is this about politics or football. I've got some wyt on wyt crime statistics in My back pocket. If You tell Me where You're from, I could look those in your area too.
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It's facts not politics. Everyday in America hundreds of criminals who committed much worse offenses are let go, no bond to go commit more crimes. Some have a rap sheet 10 pages long. McCullough is a good kid and this is clearly a misunderstanding not him just wanting to beat someone up. I'm not saying this as Vol fan, I'm saying this as a citizen who sees how petty this is. Actually let me know if a Go Fund Me page is set up to pay some of his legal fees and I have no problem donating money to it for McCullough.
 
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white65 said:
The biggest piece of damning evidence against the intruder's story imo is that was holding a bottle of alcohol while he gave the police his statement!
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How many times in US history has anyone been able to stand in front of a police officer, give a statement while holding a vodka bottle and not get arrested also?

KPD hates UT.
 
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DaddyChad said:
To be frank, you have no idea what happened. Let’s play a different “exactly what happened” game. Drunk guy was checking for unlocked doors to steal something, walks into Tank’s apartment, runs his mouth, after he leaves continues to hang around the outside of the apartments until he gets punched in mouth.
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I don't think it was about stealing something (based off of what little bit I know, but I could be wrong).

I just think he was drunk (or high) out of his mind.
 
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pimo1 said:
There is also the fact that Mccolough has 2 non intoxicated witnesses to corroborate his story. Add to that that on their faces if you read the 2 accounts...1 sounds like the rantings of a drunk guy and the other account makes perfect sense. In front of a jury unless there is some totally different witness or evidence (camera footage) there is no way any prosecutor could prove Tank was in the wrong beyond a reasonable doubt.
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DuckinVol said:
Definitely reinforces the wisdom of immediately killing an intruder inside your home.
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Which is why I have said from the beginning this is a bad precedent to be setting by the Knoxville prosecutor. Instead of sparing a life in a situation like this, most home owners will resort to just shooting and killing and saying "f*** it... judged by 12 or buried by 6".

This should be a nonissue in a state like Tennessee. The case I posted earlier defines what a curtilage is.
 
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CeJayVols said:
Home owners already do here in Florida with stand your ground law. But unfortunately people have also shot people and then tried to say it was stand your ground when it clearly wasn't. But everything I have read about this is the kid was drunk and went into the wrong apt and got a a$% whooping instead of shot and looks like the police are just charging it to allow the court to decide. If I was McCullough just use some NIL money and buy the kid some new teeth and settle this out of court with a plea. Even if he thinks he is totally innocent he can probably settle this with a plea deal and maybe some community service or something. If you go to trial then anything can happen and the drunk kid can play drama and tell the jury how he can't sleep at night and scared for life, etc....
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That isn't justice. You're the second person I have seen make that comment (or maybe the same person that posted it twice). Why should a person that was minding their business in their own home pay a penalty for defending their home from a person that breaks in? Really?

Sounds like a bit of class envy...

Edit: You are the same one... f*** his teeth. That should be a lesson learned to him.

CeJayVols said:
This is ridiculous! Use his NIL money to pay for the new teeth of the victim and settle this out of court with a deal. We have thugs shooting people for goodness sake in Chicago and NY and other large cities and out on bond the next day or a slap on the wrist. This is minor compared to that! The kid admitted he was drunk and walked into the wrong apartment and became hostile so McCullough has a right to defend himself and his apartment. Here in Florida the drunk kid could have easily been shot with stand your ground law and McCullough would have never been charged in Florida.
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GoVols1961 said:
That isn't wisdom. That's folly.
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That depends on where you live. In Texas and Florida and some other places, you have the right to defend your property or self from anyone attempting to harm you or steal from you. In Texas, that includes inside your car. A recent case here had a vehicle owner shoot and kill an offender who was running from the police and attempted a carjacking. He died on the spot from 4 shots from the driver. No charges filed at all. Justified killing
 
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