'20 MD WDE Demon Clowney

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PoweredByTheT said:
Known or not... I'd be salty about it too if I was him
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Why? Offers are offers, and most of the offers are never taken... a school might send out a 100+ offers but only really has room for 25 or less, generally speaking.

If they kept him informed as to changing situation with clean hands than I see nothing wrong with that - depends.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why? Offers are offers, and most of the offers are never taken... a school might send out a 100+ offers but only really has room for 25 or less, generally speaking.

If they kept him informed as to changing situation with clean hands than I see nothing wrong with that - depends.
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If I'm a high-4-star talent... you accept my commit... and then "process me" for a slightly higher rated dude...

yes... I'd be salty... and I'd feel justified in being salty
 
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I remember a story from the Les Miles days. LSU hands out an offer to Storm Johnson a RB from Georgia... out of the blue his dad and him show up at Les's office and are like were here to commit. Les is like, thanks, just go back home and we'll let you know (wink). Storm turned into a pretty good player for Miami/UCF and bounced around the NFL if I remember correctly.

I'm not here say any of this is right, the whole process is kind ****ed up, imo.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Why? Offers are offers, and most of the offers are never taken... a school might send out a 100+ offers but only really has room for 25 or less, generally speaking.

If they kept him informed as to changing situation with clean hands than I see nothing wrong with that - depends.
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Difference between an offer and a commitment. Send out hundred's of offers, but once you accept the commitment, he shouldn't be processed. If you like Webb better and only have a spot for one of them, then don't accept Clowney's commitment until you've heard from Webb.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
If I'm a high-4-star talent... you accept my commit... and then "process me" for a slightly higher rated dude...

yes... I'd be salty... and I'd feel justified in being salty
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Depends on the conversation/s and whether the player was treated with clean hands, I hate to put anything into a narrow absolute... I say it depends on the situation. Whether he is NR or 5 star, you treat people with clean hands as much as possible, what does that mean... not trying to intentional inflict harm.
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
If I'm a high-4-star talent... you accept my commit... and then "process me" for a slightly higher rated dude...

yes... I'd be salty... and I'd feel justified in being salty
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The bold is the important part.

If you want to recruit 10 guys for 1 spot thats cool, its the nature of business. If Im the 3rd on the list and you can get the guy at the top of the board thats fine. If you told me to hold off and I did wanting to sign with you when I had other options thats on me if you take someone else. Accept the commit just to hold the spot in case you miss on others is different.
 
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miket4god said:
Difference between an offer and a commitment. Send out hundred's of offers, but once you accept the commitment, he shouldn't be processed. If you like Webb better and only have a spot for one of them, then don't accept Clowney's commitment until you've heard from Webb.
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Well that’s kind of naive. Schools process kids all the time. And kids decommit all the time. It’s all fluid.
 
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BeecherVol said:
The bold is the important part.

If you want to recruit 10 guys for 1 spot thats cool, its the nature of business. If Im the 3rd on the list and you can get the guy at the top of the board thats fine. If you told me to hold off and I did wanting to sign with you when I had other options thats on me if you take someone else. Accept the commit just to hold the spot in case you miss on others is different.
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Most schools, maybe all schools have conditions, it usually even says there are conditions in the offer.

What happens if a recruit goes from 275lbs to 425lbs? You give him a scholarship?

At the end of the day the offer doesn't mean anything nor the committment, its a simply a process to see if parties can come together on signing day... as long as both parties act with clean hands, its generally okay.... I'm not saying I like all this process though.
 
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miket4god said:
Difference between an offer and a commitment. Send out hundred's of offers, but once you accept the commitment, he shouldn't be processed. If you like Webb better and only have a spot for one of them, then don't accept Clowney's commitment until you've heard from Webb.
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We did this with butler this year careful not to be hypocritical
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Most schools, maybe all schools have conditions, it usually even says there are conditions in the offer.

What happens if a recruit goes from 275lbs to 425lbs? You give him a scholarship?

At the end of the day the offer doesn't mean anything nor the committment, its a simply a process to see if parties can come together on signing day... as long as both parties act with clean hands, its generally okay.... I'm not saying I like all this process though.
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Trying hard to defend your school, but if the kid feels slighted, that often is reflected by his HS coaches. They don't look at the process the same as college coaches or fans. It leads to damaged relationships, and damaged relationships can affect future recruiting. It's really a negative situation for both sides.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Most schools, maybe all schools have conditions, it usually even says there are conditions in the offer.

What happens if a recruit goes from 275lbs to 425lbs? You give him a scholarship?

At the end of the day the offer doesn't mean anything nor the committment, its a simply a process to see if parties can come together on signing day... as long as both parties act with clean hands, its generally okay.... I'm not saying I like all this process though.
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I understand all that.

Your example is silly.
 
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Weezer said:
Trying hard to defend your school, but if the kid feels slighted, that often is reflected by his HS coaches. They don't look at the process the same as college coaches or fans. It leads to damaged relationships, and damaged relationships can affect future recruiting. It's really a negative situation for both sides.
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Yes and no, enough to talk about but not enough to where I feel like I would sell my soul to the devil. The truth is, I wasn't there but on a general note I always try and act with clean hands, if the parties are acting with clean hands any mistake or miscalculation should be forgivable. At the end of the day, school process kids, also kids process school - I have no issue as long as parties try to act in good faith.

If a HS coach is butthurt over a normal processing than they might want to bend over because every school is going to ram it home on them - its part of the deal. I'm not defending the process or LSU, I wasn't there and if someone has particulars, I might have an opinion on it. In the current scheme, its really hard for the coaches to be fully transparent... none of this is ideal. I'm sure the LSU coaching staff makes mistakes, and sometimes they pay for them as well. Trust me, Coach O is getting ridden hard for letting some of the OoS kids control things so much.

Let me just say something on Clowney in particular, worse kept secret - he knew. (generally, that is okay in my book depending on particulars)
 
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BeecherVol said:
I understand all that.

Your example is silly.
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No its not, an offer is just that.... an agreement to possibly come to an agreement, the agree is on sign day or after... its conditional up t o that point. Neither party is bound, once the signing takes place than that's general it. As long as parties act in good faith in trying to set terms, not sure what the issue is... of course, we all have opinions on good faith.

Every school processes, as do the kids.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
No its not, an offer is just that.... an agreement to possibly come to an agreement, the agree is on sign day or after... its conditional up t o that point. Neither party is bound, once the signing takes place than that's general it. As long as parties act in good faith in trying to set terms, not sure what the issue is... of course, we all have opinions on good faith.
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Name a recruit that gained 150 lbs after a school took his commitment.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Name a recruit that gained 150 lbs after a school took his commitment.
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Its an example, LSU had a commit, broke his back... they gave him a none scholarship, never played college football. Eventually played in the NFL i.e. Devin Breaux.

The offer really is only an agreement to try and come to an agreement, way too much is made of it.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Its an example, LSU has a commit, broke his back... they gave him a none scholarship. Eventually played in the NFL i.e. Devin Breaux.

The offer really is only an agreement to try and come to an agreement, way too much is made of it.
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You re reaching for extreme situations that dont fit this.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
Yes and no, enough to talk about but not enough to where I feel like I would sell my soul to the devil. The truth is, I wasn't there but on a general note I always try and act with clean hands, if the parties are acting with clean hands any mistake or miscalculation should be forgivable. At the end of the day, school process kids, also kids process school - I have no issue as long as parties try to act in good faith.

If a HS coach is butthurt over a normal processing than they might want to bend over because every school is going to ram it home on them - its part of the deal. I'm not defending the process or LSU, I wasn't there and if someone has particulars, I might have an opinion on it. In the current scheme, its really hard for the coaches to be fully transparent... none of this is ideal. I'm sure the LSU coaching staff makes mistakes, and sometimes they pay for them as well. Trust me, Coach O is getting ridden hard for letting some of the OoS kids control things so much.

Let me just say something on Clowney in particular, worse kept secret - he knew. (generally, that is okay in my book depending on particulars)
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When the said school is a top-5 HS in the nation and said player is one of the better players on that roster, if said HS coach wants to be "butthurt" over a "normal processing", then it's going to impact LSU... not the HS...

"Normal processing" is "Hey, I found this project kid with a lot of upside, but he's a low-3* that's going to need some coaching up... now there's this high 4* kid that's a similar skill set we've been in on for a while is a strong lean and wants to sign"

...... not "I found a slightly better 4* kid, let's dump the other high-4* kid that isn't quite on par with him"

It's really hard to defend what happened here... especially if the kid got upset, took a 5* WR off the roster with him, and his school is rumoured to be blackballing the LSU program because of it... the kid getting upset says all I need to know about how clean the hands were that made the move
 
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PoweredByTheT said:
When said school is a top-5 HS in the nation and said player is one of the better players on that roster... if said HS coach wants to be "butthurt" over a "normal processing", then it's going to impact LSU... not the HS...
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Well, its going to effect every school because all the schools process.

If there is something in particular that happened, of course that could change things... but being asked to look for other options happens on a regular basis and is not unique to LSU.
 
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