MEDIOCRITY

[patrick]

I guess most Tennessee fans accept mediocre offensive performance, that is, if Tennessee wins. How many years will this average play by the offense be tolerated? Until the defense is unable to bail the offense out. Tennessee's defenses have been above average the last few years. What would happen if the defense tanked for a year or two? I hate to even consider that.

Tennessee has been ugly offensivley for a long time. They make everything look hard. I believe that Tennesse has good offensive talent but the coaching is below average. The left side of the o line is woeful. No running back has broken a big gainer. The only pass over about 35 yards was to Fayton (only because the db fell down (uab game)). And the QB play is average at best. I told you all the Rick Clausen was not the great white hope for the Tennessee offense.

P. Washington and J. R. Stevens need to get something done. Sanders needs to learn how to develop a QB and a little more imaginative offense.

This is unbelievable!!!!!!! If the offensive coaching staff with exception of TT does not get things in gear, Tennessee will lose at least two more games.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by patrick@Oct 4, 2005 10:10 AM

This is unbelievable!!!!!!!  If the offensive coaching staff with exception of TT does not get things in gear, Tennessee will lose at least two more games.

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What is it that you think Troop has done that is so fabulous? I love the guy to death. He's great to sit and talk to, but why have you singled him out like that?

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 4, 2005 10:37 AM
What is it that you think Troop has done that is so fabulous?  I love the guy to death. He's great to sit and talk to, but why have you singled him out like that?

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TT turned Riggs from liability to a highly skilled offensive weapon. Can't say that RS has ever developed talent like that.

 

[holdemvol]

Here we go again...... :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 10:39 AM
TT turned Riggs from liability to a highly skilled offensive weapon.  Can't say that RS has ever developed talent like that.

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Ok. Then who took 2 Freshmen QBs and won the toughest division in College football in 2004?

Oh yeah. Troop did that too. :shakehead: :shakehead: :shakehead:

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 10:39 AM
TT turned Riggs from liability to a highly skilled offensive weapon.  Can't say that RS has ever developed talent like that.

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The only thing Troop did was give Riggs a chance (and follow him around campus to make sure he is where he's supposed to be.) Again...I love the guy to death and he is a huge asset to that staff but the biggest thing he will do for their program is recruit his ass off...which goes back to what I've said 100 times...the key to a good program is consistency and recruiting.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 10:45 AM
Ok.  Then who took 2 Freshmen QBs and won the toughest division in College football in 2004? 

Oh yeah.  Troop did that too.  :shakehead:  :shakehead:  :shakehead:

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[OWB]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 11:45 AM
Ok.  Then who took 2 Freshmen QBs and won the toughest division in College football in 2004? 

Oh yeah.  Troop did that too.  :shakehead:  :shakehead:  :shakehead:

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Where are those two this year???

 

[volmanjr]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 4, 2005 10:46 AM
Where are those two this year???

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whose fault is it that they r not playing? One couldn't stay out of trouble and the other , well I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's coaching :twocents:

 

[patrick]

what about the receivers????????

dropped passes

cant break press coverage

yards after the catch

p washington........

coaching coaching coaching

 

[volmanjr]

Originally posted by patrick@Oct 4, 2005 10:54 AM
what about the receivers????????

dropped passes

cant break press coverage

yards after the catch

p washington........ 

coaching coaching coaching

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that one I will agree with...catching drills need to be heavy on the hill!!!

 

[surrealvol]

The one comment I would make at this point is that I think we are way too predictable on offense.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by volmanjr@Oct 4, 2005 12:51 PM
whose fault is it that they r not playing? One couldn't stay out of trouble and the other , well I don't know what's going on there but I don't think it's coaching :twocents:

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I wasn't really pointing fingers at Sanders. It's just that QB's usually take a step forward and like you said, one isn't stepping at all and the other is going backwards.

From what we have seen of Ainge this year, it looks like he hasn't been coached. He has both physical and mental issues. I know that there's a bunch of factors as to why Ainge is playing like he is, but coaching is probably part of it for whatever reason along with everything else.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by surrealvol@Oct 4, 2005 12:01 PM
The one comment I would make at this point is that I think we are way too predictable on offense.

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So was Nebraska once. But nobody could stop them.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 11:45 AM
Ok.  Then who took 2 Freshmen QBs and won the toughest division in College football in 2004? 

Oh yeah.  Troop did that too.  :shakehead:  :shakehead:  :shakehead:

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Why is it then he is playing worse this year then last year then? If he is responsible for him playing so well last, doesnt it stand to reason he has some responsibility for him not playing well this year????

On one hand your saying how great he did taking a true freshman qb to win the sec east, then on the other hand you act like he doesnt have any responsibility for the fact this same qb is playing worse this year. You cant have it both ways.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by oklavol@Oct 4, 2005 12:13 PM
Why is it then he is playing worse this year then last year then?  If he is responsible for him playing so well last, doesnt it stand to reason he has some responsibility for him not playing well this year????

On one hand your saying how great he did taking a true freshman qb to win the sec east, then on the other hand you act like he doesnt have any responsibility for the fact this same qb is playing worse this year.  You cant have it both ways.

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Im not trying to have it both ways. You sir are the one who seems to want it both ways. This is the same OC and QB coach from 2004.

Point is this: some of you are making RS the scapegoat. Is the UT offense lacking? Yes. Is it a problem right now? NO! We are winning games and ranked top 10 going into the game with UGA.

If the offense causes us to lose 4 or 5 games this year, THEN Id say we have a problem. But @ 3-1, with a good road win at BR, and a sloppy loss @ Gainesville, some of you'll seem like you have given up on the season. You folks have already chalked up those losses, as if the TEAM wont have a say so in the matter. We are winning, but not the way YOU folks want us to win. Bottom line: WE ARE WINNING!

Tell ya what. Why dont we just start forfeiting games. Hell, RS isnt going to allow us to win anyways. Just pack it up and call it a season. Fire all of em and start over. Then, with a new coach, and new schemes, we should be ready for a national title run in 2006.

Now, next topic. Who do we bring in to replace Phil Fulmer and what kind of offense do we run? Remember, the new coach has to be able to average 40 points a game by throwing 80 yard bombs on each play. We could punt on 2nd down (if we did it on first down, they might figure us out and we would become "predictable"). He has to have a quality proven defensive coordinator who will give up only 25 yards of offense a game and have a scoring defense of 0.

I know, lets find whoever is "the flavor of the month" among the mid majors (Bobby Petrino comes to mind) and hire him. Yeah!!

BOBBY PETRINO!!! The next UT HBC in 2006!!!!

If you havent figured out that this post if full of sarcasm and contempt for some of the opinions on here, you need to re-read it.

No UT fans. The Sky isnt falling.

 

[mikey]

Typically, when guys play QB as freshmen, the offense is scaled way down. When they hit spring and fall of that year the whole offense is thrown at them. That mkes a difference. If you all will recall, Casey C. had something of a down sophmore season too. As far as catching drills are concerned...it's not that the guys can't catch...it's a concentration issue.

 

[volinbham]

Mediocrity is a kind word. Our offensive rankings are inexcusable.

I don't know who to blame but there is no way to sugar coat this. Our offense has not come anywhere close to its potential.

Winning the rest will be very difficult if our offense doesn't improve. Georgia and Bama both have as good or better defenses than we've faced yet and probably better offenses.

 

[allvol]

Let's see some posts praising the great play of the Vols defense.

Is your glass half full or half empty????

 

[allvol]

Originally posted by patrick@Oct 4, 2005 10:10 AM
How many years will this average play by the offense be tolerated? Until the defense is unable to bail the offense out.

All that matters is the 'W'. No points are awarded for 'style.' Phillip Fulmer and his program will continue as long as he delivers the Wins.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 4, 2005 12:55 PM
Mediocrity is a kind word.  Our offensive rankings are inexcusable.

I don't know who to blame but there is no way to sugar coat this.  Our offense has not come anywhere close to its potential.

Winning the rest will be very difficult if our offense doesn't improve.  Georgia and Bama both have as good or better defenses than we've faced yet and probably better offenses.

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Now...this I agree with...their offense has not played anywhere near as well as it should have. The problem, however, can not be laid at the feet of one source. Every aspect of their offense has issues. The o line has been extremely banged up and nothing is more important on the O line than continuity. The receivers have not made plays. The QB's have not made plays. The coaches can only do so much guys. When the players get between the lines it is their job to make plays and this offense simply hasn't made plays even when the playcalling put them in position to make one. Have the coaches done the same job they always have? I don't know. I'm not at practice and you absolutely have a miniscule idea about what is going on with a team if you aren't at practice everyday. What I can tell from watching the games is that there are breakdowns all acroos the board. The other thing I know for a fact is that this is an extremely talented team with a fabulous coaching staff that every vol fan should be proud to have. They have worked together for many years and they will get it fixed just like they always do if everybody will just stop all of the bitching and try to have a little more patience than my one year old son!

 

[volbrian]

Point is there is no pleasing some people.

If they get the quick strike offense, what they dont realize is their defense suffers. Why? Because after a 3 play scoring drive by their offense, they have to hit the field again. Thats why TOP is so important. Not only is a long sustained drive important to keep the opposing offense off the field but its also rests a teams defense.

If UT had won every game averaging 30 points a game, they'd be wanting Chavis fired for not having an adequate defense on the field.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 1:22 PM
Point is there is no pleasing some people.

If they get the quick strike offense, what they dont realize is their defense suffers.  Why?  Because after a 3 play scoring drive by their offense, they have to hit the field again.  Thats why TOP is so important.  Not only is a long sustained drive important to keep the opposing offense off the field but its also rests a teams defense. 

If UT had won every game averaging 30 points a game, they'd be wanting Chavis fired for not having an adequate defense on the field.

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This is not a call for a quick strike offense. This is a call for an offense that scores TDs in the redzone. This is a call for an OC that DEVELOPS talent. This is a call for an offense that can stretch the field when necessary, and to make the necessary adjustments to do so. To hold RS blameless for EAs digression is irresponsible.

There is no reason for UT to be so limited on offense this year.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 3:14 PM
This is not a call for a quick strike offense. 

Good! Then we agree on something.

This is a call for an offense that scores TDs in the redzone. 

Weve scored 9 TDs and 3 FGs when in the "Orange Zone". We score 80% of the time. SEC RANKING is currently 6th (12 of 15). We score when we get into the zone.

This is a call for an OC that DEVELOPS talent. 

Is it an OCs job to "develop talent"? Or to bring it all together and make it work?

This is a call for an offense that can stretch the field when necessary, and to make the necessary adjustments to do so.

They have. QBs overthrow receievers or receivers drop the ball. Hmmm, funny but it worked in practice. Just not in the games. Yeah! Its all RS' fault.

To hold RS blameless for EAs digression is irresponsible.

Its like a marriage, in that BOTH PARTIES have to want to make it work. To blame RS for Ainge apparent regression into youth football mindset is irresponsible. To me, it was Fulmer who wanted Ainge in the lineup, when everbody else, INCLUDING RS wanted Rick in.

Sorry bud, but even YOU do what your boss tells you. Its up to him to realize he was wrong.

There is no reason for UT to be so limited on offense this year.

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There is if you understand how the game is played.

Ever wonder why the defense seems to stand out in all the spring drills? Ever wonder why the Offense starts out slow during Fall camps? Because its a matter of a lot of things having to come together. Timing, cohesiveness, personnel, the plays that work, they plays that dont. There is a rhythum to an offense. Each offense has to find its rhythum (I know this for a fact from coaching football for about 8 years now).

When you split fall camp offensive reps 50/50 between 2 players, its hard for that player and that offense to finds its rhytum. You seen the rhythum of the offense pick up when RC came into the LSU game. You seen it even more in the 2nd half.

Defense? You just read and react to where the ball is going. Nothing about timing in that. Offense, give the handoff a split second too soon or too late, and its a fumble. Throw the pass a split second too soon or too late, its an INT or an overthrow.

 

[patrick]

I agree lexvol. How many field goals did we kick against Ole Miss? How many were actually made. Offensive point production has dropped drastically sense the departure of CUT. That is an indictment against Sanders!!!!!!!!

And to say we have a"fabulous coaching staff" is hogwash. JR Stevens could not coach o line at Florida and he has not done a good job here!!!!!!!!