MEDIOCRITY

#53
#53
Tennessee is ranked 90th nationally in total offense (330.7 yards), 93rd in scoring offense (20.2 points), 86th in rushing offense (111.5 yards) and 101st in passing efficiency (101.14).

You have to admit, that's horrible. We are a top 10 team. Those stats will tell us all how good our defense really is.

Check out those stats!!!!! What a fabulous offensive coaching staff.
 
#54
#54
Some more stats of interest (or not):

Average points given up by our opponents vs. our score against them. The average was calculated excluding our points against them.

UAB (avg 20.3) (us 17) 3 of 4 other opponents scored more than the Vols including 1-AA Jacksonville State. Only Troy (2 - 3 on the year) scored less (7)

LSU (avg 19) (us 30 - 27 in reg.) LSU has played 2 other games - Ariz St. scored 31 and Miss St. 7 (ranked worse offensively than Vols)

UF (avg 19) (us 7). 3 of 4 other opponent have outscored the Vols - including Wyoming. Only exception is La. Tech with 3 points.

Ole Miss (avg 20.3) (us 27). Vandy scored 31 and Wyoming scored 24. Memphis only managed 6.

 
#55
#55
We are a top 10 team-- PLAYING TOP 5 TEAMS!!!!!!!!!

Who are these top-everything offenses playing? Try comparing apples to apples, you morbid fruit inspectors. I'm sorry guys. We are playing a brutal schedule this year. Hang the scheduler. But trying to compare our offensive output against

Here's your top 10 TO

1 Southern California 4 298 2478 8.32 30 619.50 4 0 0
2 Texas Tech 4 298 2341 7.86 31 585.25 4 0 0
3 Michigan St. 5 370 2832 7.65 31 566.40 4 1 0
4 Arizona St. 5 387 2782 7.19 30 556.40 3 2 0
5 Washington St. 4 319 2123 6.66 22 530.75 3 1 0
6 Northern Ill. 4 278 2077 7.47 19 519.25 1 3 0
7 Louisville 4 268 2042 7.62 23 510.50 3 1 0
8 Texas 4 273 2041 7.48 25 510.25 4 0 0
9 Notre Dame 5 422 2521 5.97 24 504.20 4 1 0
10 Minnesota 5 385 2519 6.54 26 503.80 4 1 0
11 Missouri 4 366 1991 5.44 19 497.75 2 2 0
12 Texas A&M 4 256 1918 7.49 19 479.50 3 1 0
13 Houston 4 325 1901 5.85 16 475.25 2 2 0
14 Northwestern 4 331 1895 5.73 15 473.75 2 2 0
15 Georgia 4 255 1873 7.35 15 468.25 4 0 0
16 Oregon 5 387 2329 6.02 19 465.80 4 1 0
17 Bowling Green 4 289 1850 6.40 25 462.50 2 2 0
18 Colorado St. 4 285 1838 6.45 19 459.50 2 2 0
19 California 5 324 2293 7.08 28 458.60 5 0 0
20 Penn St. 5 334 2285 6.84 23 457.00 5 0 0

Top 10 Scoring O

1 Texas Tech 4 229 57.25 31 31 0 0 0 4 0 4 0 0
2 Southern California 4 216 54.00 30 30 0 0 0 2 0 4 0 0
3 Texas 4 187 46.75 25 20 0 0 0 5 1 4 0 0
4 Michigan St. 5 227 45.40 31 28 1 0 0 3 1 4 1 0
5 Fresno St. 3 133 44.33 18 16 0 0 0 3 0 2 1 0
6 Toledo 4 174 43.50 24 24 0 0 0 2 0 3 1 0
6 Washington St. 4 174 43.50 22 21 0 0 0 7 0 3 1 0
8 Arizona St. 5 216 43.20 30 30 0 0 0 2 0 3 2 0
9 Bowling Green 4 172 43.00 25 20 1 0 0 0 0 2 2 0
10 UCLA 4 169 42.25 22 22 0 0 0 5 0 4 0 0
10 Louisville 4 169 42.25 23 22 0 0 0 3 0 3 1 0

I wonder who these offensive powerhouses are playing. *roll eyes*

The sky is falling. No. Wait... It's just the IQ in this room. ;)

 
#56
#56
UAB and Ole Miss are not top 10 teams, LSU and Florida may not end up their either.

My previous comparison showed how many points our opponents had given up. They were not playing top 10 teams either. Most were playing their cupcake non-conference games.

Our opponents have played powerhouses such as La. Tech, Troy, Wyoming, Miss St., Kentucky, Memphis, Rice, etc. Many of these "powerhouses" have put up more points against teams we've already played than we have.

No one is saying the sky is falling. I'm saying our offense is a disappointment and a serious concern if we are to win out with our brutal schedule.
 
#57
#57
I agree, vbh. My defense was against the stat comparisons where we fall nationally.

The fact is, we play up or down to our opposition. That's the lumps of a UT fan. You either get used to it, spend your time wallowing in negativity, or jump on the Vandy bandwagon.

Specifically speaking to offensive production:

Was it 1999, 2000? that USC was a 5-loss team? NCAAF is cyclical. We have been very spoiled as UT fans the past decade for the most part. We are in a down cycle offensively, and are talented enough team-overall to still be winning.

As to whether we win out... We may not. We take our lumps as big kids and with dignity, or we cry. Which do all of you choose?
 
#58
#58
I'm with you on wins/losses. It's football, it's my team. I want them to win of course and it's disappointing to lose but that's what the game is all about.

What I don't agree with is the notion that expressing concern about the team performance somehow equates to not being a true fan or not taking the results with dignity.

 
#59
#59
Hey, I'm not calling anyone into question... But think about this:

Clausen's media statements spoke specifically to fan support (or lack of it), grumbling and finger-pointing. Exactly how is this supporting our team and enhancing their self-confidence, or reassuring them in our confidence?

We laugh at LSU, Bama, and now UF about their fanbase meltdowns and internal "titty-baby" reactions. How are we helping ourselves as far as external perceptions?

 
#61
#61
OF, My performance at work is reviewed quite regularly. I am also questioned about why and how I did things. And you know, I even get criticized if a poor result is obtained. I have even been told to change how I have done things.

I love the Tennessee Vols but I hate to hear players talk about fan supprt and fan criticism. Just because I believe that certain changes in coaches or coaching philosophy are necessary for the offense does not mean I do not support the Vols. The criticisms which have been made are valid.
 
#62
#62
Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 10:45 AM
Ok.  Then who took 2 Freshmen QBs and won the toughest division in College football in 2004? 

Oh yeah.  Troop did that too.  :shakehead:  :shakehead:  :shakehead:
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Sanders is a good position coach,but not a good OC.....
 
#63
#63
Originally posted by patrick@Oct 5, 2005 12:33 PM
OF, My performance at work is reviewed quite regularly.  I am also questioned about why and how I did things.  And you know, I even get criticized if a poor result is obtained.  I have even been told to change how I have done things.

I love the Tennessee Vols but I hate to hear players talk about fan supprt and fan criticism.  Just because I believe that certain changes in coaches or coaching philosophy are necessary for the offense does not mean I do not support the Vols.  The criticisms which have been made are valid.
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The players are not paid; hopefully you are.

The coaches are paid, and I'm quite sure they report to the AD concerning results quite regularly. You do not answer to every Tom, Dick and Harry. Neither should they. You answer to those with a financial stake in the performance of the company. What are your, or my, financial stake in the U of T? Gambling doesn't count.
 
#64
#64
I am donor. I pay for season tickets. Oh and the ticket prices continue to rise.
 
#65
#65
That doesn't equate to a financial stake. That equates to you buying a product that you feel isn't worth your money. Withhold the donations, stay home and watch golf, and maybe they'll fire RS. You never know, New Coke didn't last long.

take care.
 
#66
#66
Seems to me (an outsider in this argument/discussion) that you guys are not even arguing about/discussing the same things. I am as die-hard as a Vol fan can get, and I'm super-pleased with our Defense. . . .but the Offense is NOT up to par, and that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched (and re-watched) the first 4 games. We have a preseason-touted "Heistman hopeful" at running back, "one of the best receiving corps in the country," a very strong offensive line, and a pair of talented QB's. If you're telling me that they should only muster the number of points we have, thus far, especially with a crazy-good defense, then you are out of your mind. Now, take into consideration who we've played (on defense): UAB - not good, Florida - good, but not great, LSU - good up front, weak deep, Ole Miss - not good.

Bottom line: we have not played the caliber defenses we are getting ready to face. Somehow, someone is going to HAVE to figure out how to stretch the field, come up with a few big plays, and find consistency on offense. Otherwise, we are looking at some long Saturdays, starting with this one.
 
#67
#67
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 5, 2005 6:12 PM
Seems to me (an outsider in this argument/discussion) that you guys are not even arguing about/discussing the same things.  I am as die-hard as a Vol fan can get, and I'm super-pleased with our Defense. . . .but the Offense is NOT up to par, and that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched (and re-watched) the first 4 games.  We have a preseason-touted "Heistman hopeful" at running back, "one of the best receiving corps in the country," a very strong offensive line, and a pair of talented QB's.  If you're telling me that they should only muster the number of points we have, thus far, especially with a crazy-good defense, then you are out of your mind.  Now, take into consideration who we've played (on defense):  UAB - not good, Florida - good, but not great, LSU - good up front, weak deep, Ole Miss - not good.

Bottom line:  we have not played the caliber defenses we are getting ready to face.  Somehow, someone is going to HAVE to figure out how to stretch the field, come up with a few big plays, and find consistency on offense.  Otherwise, we are looking at some long Saturdays, starting with this one.
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On the money as usual, doc.
 
#68
#68
Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 10:39 AM
TT turned Riggs from liability to a highly skilled offensive weapon.  Can't say that RS has ever developed talent like that.
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The "hopes" of NFL are the only thing that turned Riggs around. TT did improve Geralds chest bumping, wearing Riggs hat backwards and high fiving thhough. Thanks coach, good job!!! :birgits_giggle:
 
#69
#69
Originally posted by patrick@Oct 5, 2005 11:33 AM
OF, My performance at work is reviewed quite regularly.  I am also questioned about why and how I did things.  And you know, I even get criticized if a poor result is obtained.  I have even been told to change how I have done things.

I love the Tennessee Vols but I hate to hear players talk about fan supprt and fan criticism.  Just because I believe that certain changes in coaches or coaching philosophy are necessary for the offense does not mean I do not support the Vols.  The criticisms which have been made are valid.
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If any of us performed our jobs at the level of OC RS we would be fired immediately. Unless of course , our head was up our bosses tail as far as OC RS has his head up CPF tail.
 
#70
#70
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 5, 2005 5:12 PM
Seems to me (an outsider in this argument/discussion) that you guys are not even arguing about/discussing the same things.  I am as die-hard as a Vol fan can get, and I'm super-pleased with our Defense. . . .but the Offense is NOT up to par, and that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched (and re-watched) the first 4 games.  We have a preseason-touted "Heistman hopeful" at running back, "one of the best receiving corps in the country," a very strong offensive line, and a pair of talented QB's.  If you're telling me that they should only muster the number of points we have, thus far, especially with a crazy-good defense, then you are out of your mind.  Now, take into consideration who we've played (on defense):  UAB - not good, Florida - good, but not great, LSU - good up front, weak deep, Ole Miss - not good.

Bottom line:  we have not played the caliber defenses we are getting ready to face.  Somehow, someone is going to HAVE to figure out how to stretch the field, come up with a few big plays, and find consistency on offense.  Otherwise, we are looking at some long Saturdays, starting with this one.
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Well stated. Thanks for the truth!
 
#71
#71
Originally posted by kiddiedoc@Oct 5, 2005 6:12 PM
Seems to me (an outsider in this argument/discussion) that you guys are not even arguing about/discussing the same things.  I am as die-hard as a Vol fan can get, and I'm super-pleased with our Defense. . . .but the Offense is NOT up to par, and that should be blatantly obvious to anyone who has watched (and re-watched) the first 4 games.  We have a preseason-touted "Heistman hopeful" at running back, "one of the best receiving corps in the country," a very strong offensive line, and a pair of talented QB's.  If you're telling me that they should only muster the number of points we have, thus far, especially with a crazy-good defense, then you are out of your mind.  Now, take into consideration who we've played (on defense):  UAB - not good, Florida - good, but not great, LSU - good up front, weak deep, Ole Miss - not good.

Bottom line:  we have not played the caliber defenses we are getting ready to face.  Somehow, someone is going to HAVE to figure out how to stretch the field, come up with a few big plays, and find consistency on offense.  Otherwise, we are looking at some long Saturdays, starting with this one.
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I see what you mean, but...

My point was that we, as fans, have no say in the offensive schemes, nor the hiring/firing practices of the institution. Our negativity will do absolutely zilch to help the problem, so we could try seeing this as a cyclical down for the offense and supoort the ATHELETES who haven't EXECUTED YET.

The incorrect point was hinted at that since Patrick answers to a boss, then the coaches have to answer to us. They don't. I just followed the flawed point to its flawed conclusion.

So... The atheletes are underperforming. It is possibly the coaching staff's fault. Our bitching, whining and clogging the board with a thousand FIRE RS threads will not help that.
 
#72
#72
Originally posted by OrangeFrenzy@Oct 5, 2005 11:43 AM
We are a top 10 team--  PLAYING TOP 5 TEAMS!!!!!!!!!

Who are these top-everything offenses playing?  Try comparing apples to apples, you morbid fruit inspectors.  I'm sorry guys.  We are playing a brutal schedule this year.  Hang the scheduler.  But trying to compare our offensive output against

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I'm sorry man, but we haven't really played a tough defense yet. Those defenses just look great because they have played our offense. It has nothing to do with playing top 5 teams......yet.
 
#73
#73
i'm sure it has probably been said in this thread at least once or twice but i really dont see why all of these offensive stats matter, really. because i've seen many UT games where we dominated every aspect of the game(total yards, TOP, turnovers, etc...) and come up with the "L". i could care less if we are dead last in offensive production as long as we keep getting the "W" week in and week out. plus the team has no control of what has ALREADY happened, football is not about the past obviously, its about how you play the next game and getting prepared and getting the "W" and right now the VOLS are doing a pretty good job of getting that "W" week in and week out and if they keep winning we could very easily find our team in the SECCG with a "under achieving" offense.
GO VOLS!!!!!!!!! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:
 
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