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[Lexvol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 3:42 PM
Good!  Then we agree on something. 
Weve scored 9 TDs and 3 FGs when in the "Orange Zone".  We score 80% of the time.  SEC RANKING is currently 6th (12 of 15).  We score when we get into the zone.
Is it an OCs job to "develop talent"?  Or to bring it all together and make it work?
They have.  QBs overthrow receievers or receivers drop the ball.  Hmmm, funny but it worked in practice.  Just not in the games.  Yeah!  Its all RS' fault.
Its like a marriage, in that BOTH PARTIES have to want to make it work.  To blame RS for Ainge apparent  regression into youth football mindset is irresponsible.  To me, it was Fulmer who wanted Ainge in the lineup, when everbody else, INCLUDING  RS wanted Rick in.   

Sorry bud, but even YOU do what your boss tells you.  Its up to him to realize he was wrong.
There is if you understand how the game is played.

Ever wonder why the defense seems to stand out in all the spring drills?  Ever wonder why the Offense starts out slow during Fall camps?  Because its a matter of a lot of things having to come together.  Timing, cohesiveness, personnel, the plays that work, they plays that dont.  There is a rhythum to an offense.  Each offense has to find its rhythum (I know this for a fact from coaching football for about 8 years now). 

When you split fall camp offensive reps 50/50 between 2 players, its hard for that player and that offense to finds its rhytum.  You seen the rhythum of the offense pick up when RC came into the LSU game.  You seen it even more in the 2nd half. 

Defense?  You just read and react to where the ball is going.  Nothing about timing in that.  Offense, give the handoff a split second too soon or too late, and its a fumble.  Throw the pass a split second too soon or too late, its an INT or an overthrow.

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Overthrows are caused by poor technique, poor footwork and dropping your elbow when you throw.

Fulmer knows what EVERY dc in the conference knows. When RC is playing the twelfth defender on the field is the amount of field that you have to cover. Rick is blessed with heart, and I am thankful for his example, but you only have to cover half the field when he is on.

I am willing to admit it when Sanders done well, but all we have done is underacheive.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 3:51 PM
Overthrows are caused by poor technique, poor footwork and dropping your elbow when you throw. 

Fulmer knows what EVERY dc in the conference knows.  When RC is playing the twelfth defender on the field is the amount of field that you have to cover.  Rick is blessed with heart, and I am thankful for his example, but you only have to cover half the field when he is on.

I am willing to admit it when Sanders done well, but all we have done is underacheive.

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If RC had taken the usual 95% of the snaps since August, I would agree with you. But hes only had about 8 days where he could work the offense as HIS own. Where would RC or any QB be after 8 days of fall drills? Not very "in sync" with his OL, Backs and WRs.

Funny but the farther you stretch the field, the more "timed" the pattern has to be.

Hey. What do I know anyways. I just hope my score of the UGA game rings true (34-13 UT). That way we all can move on from the RS bashing and/or RS defending.

 

[vols2345]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 10:39 AM
TT turned Riggs from liability to a highly skilled offensive weapon.  Can't say that RS has ever developed talent like that.

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we had great running backs WAY before Riggs and TT got there. Riggs has underachived all his carrer. He was one of the best running backs of his class, and he is just now getting around. TT didnt really help him at all. Also look at our special teams, also coached by TT. not so good if you ask me. Quit being on one guys D!(K and give the whole staff credit.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 4:20 PM
If RC had taken the usual 95% of the snaps since August, I would agree with you.  But hes only had about 8 days where he could work the offense as HIS own.  Where would RC or any QB be after 8 days of fall drills?  Not very "in sync" with his OL, Backs and WRs. 

Funny but the farther you stretch the field, the more "timed" the pattern has to be. 

Hey.  What do I know anyways.  I just hope my score of the UGA game rings true (34-13 UT).  That way we all can move on from the RS bashing and/or RS defending.

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I will be just as happy to give credit once we are getting the job done. :good: :dance2: :dance2:

 

[jessiej86]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Oct 4, 2005 4:24 PM
I will be just as happy to give credit once we are getting the job done.  :good:  :dance2:  :dance2:

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I am concerned about our offense at this time. TOP is important, but you can't argue the value of a few quick scores and big plays. I like to see long drives as much as anyone, but I don't think you can rely on them all the time. When you constantly have to go 80 yards in 12-15 plays, you have to be perfect all the time. What we need is a mixture of long grinding drives and big plays. We seem to have the long drives down, now we have to mix in some big plays. I have nothing against PF or RS.

 

[utvolpj]

Originally posted by jessiej86@Oct 4, 2005 6:50 PM
I am concerned about our offense at this time.  TOP is important, but you can't argue the value of a few quick scores and big plays.  I like to see long drives as much as anyone, but I don't think you can rely on them all the time.  When you constantly have to go 80 yards in 12-15 plays, you have to be perfect all the time.  What we need is a mixture of long grinding drives and big plays.  We seem to have the long drives down, now we have to mix in some big plays.  I have nothing against PF or RS.

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A long drive helps out the WHOLE team. The offense wears down the opposing defense. Our (rested) D comes out and puts up a 3 and out. Now the still-tired opposing D steps out yet again. It's the way we beat LSU and also how UF wore us down. UF's drive to end the 3rd/start the 4th quarter was a backbreaker.

 

[orangetd88]

Shoot me know

 

[LSUfan71]

Originally posted by surrealvol@Oct 4, 2005 12:01 PM
The one comment I would make at this point is that I think we are way too predictable on offense.

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Apparently that doesn't matter against a DC like Bo Pelini

 

[7IlikeOrange7]

if it makes sense... its almost like were too predictable until we have to be unpredictable!>? does that make any sense.. i dunno it does to me

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 1:22 PM
Point is there is no pleasing some people.

If they get the quick strike offense, what they dont realize is their defense suffers.  Why?  Because after a 3 play scoring drive by their offense, they have to hit the field again.  Thats why TOP is so important.  Not only is a long sustained drive important to keep the opposing offense off the field but its also rests a teams defense. 

If UT had won every game averaging 30 points a game, they'd be wanting Chavis fired for not having an adequate defense on the field.

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Truth is when Phillip promoted Chief to DC a lot of the same people calling for Randy's head said he was crazy for doing that. Point is...people who have the success Phillip has had don't get to that level of success by making bad staff personnel decisions. I'd say the Chief decision worked out pretty well and so has the Randy decision.

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by allvol@Oct 4, 2005 1:16 PM
All that matters is the 'W'.  No points are awarded for 'style.'  Phillip Fulmer and his program will continue as long as he delivers the Wins.

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AMEN!

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 4, 2005 7:46 PM
Truth is when Phillip promoted Chief to DC a lot of the same people calling for Randy's head said he was crazy for doing that.  Point is...people who have the success Phillip has had don't get to that level of success by making bad staff personnel decisions. I'd say the Chief decision worked out pretty well and so has the Randy decision.

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I remember that. They were ready to hang him after UF in '95 (62-37 to refresh peoples memories). I think that was JCs first year as DC.

 

[hmanvolfan]

Originally posted by orangetd88@Oct 4, 2005 7:09 PM
Shoot me know

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Man, I'm with you %100. :banghead: Hopefully the Big Orange offense will all come out on the same page, the D will give Shockley the deer in the headlights look, we will beat the Dawgs by 30 and everyone will be happy.. :shades:

 

[mikey]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 3:42 PM
Good!  Then we agree on something. 
Weve scored 9 TDs and 3 FGs when in the "Orange Zone".  We score 80% of the time.  SEC RANKING is currently 6th (12 of 15).  We score when we get into the zone.
Is it an OCs job to "develop talent"?  Or to bring it all together and make it work?
They have.  QBs overthrow receievers or receivers drop the ball.  Hmmm, funny but it worked in practice.  Just not in the games.  Yeah!  Its all RS' fault.
Its like a marriage, in that BOTH PARTIES have to want to make it work.  To blame RS for Ainge apparent  regression into youth football mindset is irresponsible.  To me, it was Fulmer who wanted Ainge in the lineup, when everbody else, INCLUDING  RS wanted Rick in.   

Sorry bud, but even YOU do what your boss tells you.  Its up to him to realize he was wrong.
There is if you understand how the game is played.

Ever wonder why the defense seems to stand out in all the spring drills?  Ever wonder why the Offense starts out slow during Fall camps?  Because its a matter of a lot of things having to come together.  Timing, cohesiveness, personnel, the plays that work, they plays that dont.  There is a rhythum to an offense.  Each offense has to find its rhythum (I know this for a fact from coaching football for about 8 years now). 

When you split fall camp offensive reps 50/50 between 2 players, its hard for that player and that offense to finds its rhytum.  You seen the rhythum of the offense pick up when RC came into the LSU game.  You seen it even more in the 2nd half. 

Defense?  You just read and react to where the ball is going.  Nothing about timing in that.  Offense, give the handoff a split second too soon or too late, and its a fumble.  Throw the pass a split second too soon or too late, its an INT or an overthrow.

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From a fellow coach just let me say that it is nice to hear from someone who understands the subtleties of offensive football. As an OC I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to get that rhytmn down. "Gelling" as a team either happens or it doesn't. You don't coach the kind of chemistry that their '98 team had. Some teams, like that one, just play over their heads a lot (by the way, Randy was the RB coach then if I'm not mistaken and they had a couple of descent ones) The other thing is that too many people on here talk about this team like it is two seperate teams...the O and the D and that's not the case. The leader on the '98 TEAM was Al Wilson. I don't care who it was on O or D...everybody answered to Al. Things like that can't be coached. Again I say, if everybody will just have a tad more patience than my one year old I think this team will eventually gel together. My team is going through the same problems right now...we have talent we just can't quite seem to find that rhythmn...but we will and so will UT. Patience!

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 4:42 PM
Weve scored 9 TDs and 3 FGs when in the "Orange Zone".  We score 80% of the time.  SEC RANKING is currently 6th (12 of 15).  We score when we get into the zone.

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Tennessee is ranked 90th nationally in total offense (330.7 yards), 93rd in scoring offense (20.2 points), 86th in rushing offense (111.5 yards) and 101st in passing efficiency (101.14).

You have to admit, that's horrible. We are a top 10 team. Those stats will tell us all how good our defense really is.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by mikey@Oct 4, 2005 7:58 PM
From a fellow coach just let me say that it is nice to hear from someone who understands the subtleties of offensive football.  As an OC I spent a lot of time trying to figure out how to get that rhytmn down.  "Gelling" as a team either happens or it doesn't.  You don't coach the kind of chemistry that their '98 team had.  Some teams, like that one, just play over their heads a lot (by the way, Randy was the RB coach then if I'm not mistaken and they had a couple of descent ones) The other thing is that too many people on here talk about this team like it is two seperate teams...the O and the D and that's not the case.  The leader on the '98 TEAM was Al Wilson. I don't care who it was on O or D...everybody answered to Al.  Things like that can't be coached.  Again I say, if everybody will just have a tad more patience than my one year old I think this team will eventually gel together.  My team is going through the same problems right now...we have talent we just can't quite seem to find that rhythmn...but we will and so will UT.  Patience!

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Well, Im not an OC as much as HBC. If I wanted a coordinators position, Id rather have a DCs position. But, even as a defensive coach (a former one), I know its the defenses job to disrupt the timing and rhytum of as many plays as possible. Thats what is so effective about the bump and run. It throws the timing of the pass pattern all off, disrupting the QB/WR rhythum.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 4, 2005 7:59 PM
Tennessee is ranked 90th nationally in total offense (330.7 yards), 93rd in scoring offense (20.2 points), 86th in rushing offense (111.5 yards) and 101st in passing efficiency (101.14).

You have to admit, that's horrible.  We are a top 10 team.  Those stats will tell us all how good our defense really is.

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Ive never said we arent having problems. But, what I am saying is the problems we are having arent insurmountable. Im not ready to fire a coach and change personel in midseason, just because a few of us are upset we arent averaging 27 points a game. Talk about a disaster!

 

[bleedingorange]

Well i have set here and read all these posts about our offense and really all i have got to say is our woes on offense soon and will catch up with us, its only a matter of time. You know everybody at Neyland Stadium is just sitting on the edge of their seats waiting on just one good thing from this offense to cheer for. You all know how UT fans are very inpatient, u think the boos were loud at the UAB game, if it continues against Georgia the boos will be awlful and everybody knows it.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 9:06 PM
Ive never said we arent having problems.  But, what I am saying is the problems we are having arent insurmountable.  Im not ready to fire a coach and change personel in midseason, just because a few of us are upset we arent averaging 27 points a game.  Talk about a disaster!

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I understand where you're coming from except for the averaging 27 points a game.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by bleedingorange@Oct 4, 2005 8:10 PM
Well i have set here and read all these posts about our offense and really all i have got to say is our woes on offense soon and will catch up with us, its only a matter of time. You know everybody at Neyland Stadium is just sitting on the edge of their seats waiting on just one good thing from this offense to cheer for. You all know how UT fans are very inpatient, u think the boos were loud at the UAB game, if it continues against Georgia the boos will be awlful and everybody knows it.

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Catch up with us? WHat happens if the offense catches up with the rest of the team? Did that ever cross anyones minds?

btw, Im going to make a mandatory statement about every 25th post in every "WOE IS US THE SKY IS FALLING" thread I post in. I am offering to take any and all tickets off your hands for you. Just so you wont have to endure this pathetic Tennessee team. I am willing to buy all of your alls Big Orange merchandise and souveniers. If the price is right, of course. :devilsmoke:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 4, 2005 8:13 PM
I understand where you're coming from except for the averaging 27 points a game.

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Sounded like a good number. Not quite 30, but more than 20. :crazy:

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 9:15 PM
Sounded like a good number.  Not quite 30, but more than 20.  :crazy:

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Well in that case, let's just make it 50 and be done with it. :biggrin2:

Like you said, I hope our offense catches up with the rest of the team and I hope it's during the UGA game.

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Oct 4, 2005 8:18 PM
Well in that case, let's just make it 50 and be done with it.  :biggrin2:

Like you said, I hope our offense catches up with the rest of the team and I hope it's during the UGA game.

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JC could take the season off if the Vols averaged 50 points a game.

 

[volinbham]

Originally posted by volbrian@Oct 4, 2005 8:14 PM
Catch up with us?  WHat happens if the offense catches up with the rest of the team?  Did that ever cross anyones minds? 

btw, Im going to make a mandatory statement about every 25th post in every "WOE IS US THE SKY IS FALLING" thread I post in. 

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I'll add the 26th that says we're idiots for complaining about the offense - it'll get there, the bottom 10% in offense is nothing to worry about. :biggrin2:

 

[volbrian]

Originally posted by volinbham@Oct 4, 2005 10:20 PM
I'll add the 26th that says we're idiots for complaining about the offense - it'll get there, the bottom 10% in offense is nothing to worry about.  :biggrin2:

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