Mel Kiper

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Volshall said:
Didnt Mel say that R. Wilson was gonna flop, and J. Gruden said he was gonna be good. They had a heated debate over him at the draft last year
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I recall him saying (right after the draft) that if Russell Wilson didn't make it in the NFL, then no short guy was ever going to make it as an NFL QB. He seemed pretty high on Wilson, to me.

In terms of this year's wideout class, I wouldn't say it's one of the better ones we have seen. There's no big time surefire standout. Every guy has multiple question marks. But, on the other hand, it's a pretty deep class, at least in the sense that you can probably wait until late in the 2nd round to grab a receiver and he'll probably have just as much of a chance at being a solid player as any of the guys who go ahead of him.
 
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Kiper is good at what he does - it is just a crapshoot business - i would agree that this WR class SEEMS to be weak - you never really know until you wait a few years
 
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The Orange Pants said:
Didn't Julio go for something like 80 and 1200 his junior year? Pretty good for a guy who can't catch a wide open pass to save his life. That's like double what CP did but nice comparison nonetheless I guess.
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Yeah, I am always amazed by the Volnation version of history. Julio Jones made huge plays at Alabama and caught a ton of passes.
 
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Kiper + never played football + never coached football = doesn't know how to evaluate talent. Kiper is pretty much just like all of us here on VolNation (just a guy).

Gruden + played football +coached football + won and went to Super Bowls = knows how to evalute talent. Gruden is not like us on VolNation. (not just a guy, a reliable source).

Kiper is an over-hyped sportcaster, nothing more.
 
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madbamahater said:
Kiper + never played football + never coached football = doesn't know how to evaluate talent. Kiper is pretty much just like all of us here on VolNation (just a guy).

Gruden + played football +coached football + won and went to Super Bowls = knows how to evalute talent. Gruden is not like us on VolNation. (not just a guy, a reliable source).

Kiper is an over-hyped sportcaster, nothing more.
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madbamahater said:
Kiper + never played football + never coached football = doesn't know how to evaluate talent. Kiper is pretty much just like all of us here on VolNation (just a guy).

Gruden + played football +coached football + won and went to Super Bowls = knows how to evalute talent. Gruden is not like us on VolNation. (not just a guy, a reliable source).

Kiper is an over-hyped sportcaster, nothing more.
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An over-hyped sportscaster with a lot of connections and experience. Like someone said previously, it is a crap shoot business. look at how many can't miss 5 stars wash out in college.
 
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madbamahater said:
Kiper + never played football + never coached football = doesn't know how to evaluate talent. Kiper is pretty much just like all of us here on VolNation (just a guy).

Gruden + played football +coached football + won and went to Super Bowls = knows how to evalute talent. Gruden is not like us on VolNation. (not just a guy, a reliable source).

Kiper is an over-hyped sportcaster, nothing more.
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I've never been President either, but I know a bad one when I see him.
 
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His point was that there is no Calvin Johnson or AJ Green in this year's class. Nobody that appears to be a can't-miss.
I spend way more time than any man ever should spend focusing on the NFL draft every year. Kiper is no idiot. He's wrong quite a bit, but the man does his research and knows about every player that's even eligible.
This year's WR class will produce a lot of #2 receivers in the league. Probably not a lot of #1 guys. That's what he means.
I seem to be in the minority in saying that I still have CP as my #1 rated guy. Despite the risks that are glaring with him, I still hope my team takes him with the 14th pick.
Austin is going to be a slot guy. That isn't an exciting first round pick. Allen ran a 4.7 at his pro day. Most LBs run better than that. Hopkins is good, but in no way is he even a Justin Blackmon coming into the draft. Justin Hunter could be another AJ Green, he just doesn't show that killer instinct when the pressure is on.
That's all Kiper is saying.
 
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#1DicksonVolFan said:
I have to agree with him here, there is no Megatron or AJ Green this year. Every wr in the draft has major question marks and/or baggage. The best are Quinton Patton and Da'Rick imo.
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Agreed, it's a good class, but not a great one. Not sure I agree with you about Rogers. Da'rop had some major issues holding on to the ball when he was here.
 
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TNRazor said:
Agreed, it's a good class, but not a great one. Not sure I agree with you about Rogers. Da'rop had some major issues holding on to the ball when he was here.
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I think you're right. He had a major problem hanging onto the ball when he was being sandwiched by defenders. C'mon dude.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
Just said on Sports Center that this years WR draft class is "okay"...I know we're all biased here, but really? Just "okay?" I find it very hard to look at CP and Justin Hunter and dude from WV and say this class is just okay. How does Mel Kiper make any money being an analyst?
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That is a stupid comment on his part. Without the Trio (Hunter, CP, and Rogers), he's right...but those 3 all have something that is very, very hard to find in a WR each year. Last year, there was only one WR who had size and speed (Stephen Hill), but he played in a run-heavy offense, at GT, so he rarely got to showcase his skills. Outside of him, it was slim pickens. Either short (Kendall Wright) and average WR speed, or tall and slow.

All three guys hit it in the Size/Speed/Talent departments. It is very rare to have 3 WR's in one draft, with that combination
 
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Panthro said:
His point was that there is no Calvin Johnson or AJ Green in this year's class. Nobody that appears to be a can't-miss.
I spend way more time than any man ever should spend focusing on the NFL draft every year. Kiper is no idiot. He's wrong quite a bit, but the man does his research and knows about every player that's even eligible.
This year's WR class will produce a lot of #2 receivers in the league. Probably not a lot of #1 guys. That's what he means.
I seem to be in the minority in saying that I still have CP as my #1 rated guy. Despite the risks that are glaring with him, I still hope my team takes him with the 14th pick.
Austin is going to be a slot guy. That isn't an exciting first round pick. Allen ran a 4.7 at his pro day. Most LBs run better than that. Hopkins is good, but in no way is he even a Justin Blackmon coming into the draft. Justin Hunter could be another AJ Green, he just doesn't show that killer instinct when the pressure is on.
That's all Kiper is saying.
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Justin Hunter is a Calvin Johnson clone...and Rogers is every bit as dynamic as Green. CP is more dangerous after the catch than either of those, and still gives a team the size and speed combination that changes defenses game plans.

I think Hunter suffered a lack of concentration after coming off his ACL injury. Kenny Britt had the same length of time to heal up after his ACL surgery and he never showed up at all last year, for the Titans.

Hunter will be a pro bowl WR soon enough and make teams regret overlooking him.
 
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The Orange Pants said:
You are officially retarded. Hunter is not a Megatron clone. Good God, dude.
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Yes, he is...retardo. Kiper and McShay both had him listed as the No.1 WR in this class, all the way up til after season's end. The drops/lack of concentration hurt him, but had he returned to form, he would have been talked about in the same sentence as Calvin Johnson. Up to that point in time, when Johnson was drafted, it was very, very, very rare to find a WR with height, speed and talent. It's still somewhat rare, but not as much.

Justin has the same exact attributes Calvin Johnson had coming out of college. You look dumber with each post you make.
 
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bigsteve13 said:
Just said on Sports Center that this years WR draft class is "okay"...I know we're all biased here, but really? Just "okay?" I find it very hard to look at CP and Justin Hunter and dude from WV and say this class is just okay. How does Mel Kiper make any money being an analyst?
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VOLorNuttin said:
Yes, he is...retardo. Kiper and McShay both had him listed as the No.1 WR in this class, all the way up til after season's end. The drops/lack of concentration hurt him, but had he returned to form, he would have been talked about in the same sentence as Calvin Johnson. Up to that point in time, when Johnson was drafted, it was very, very, very rare to find a WR with height, speed and talent. It's still somewhat rare, but not as much.

Justin has the same exact attributes Calvin Johnson had coming out of college. You look dumber with each post you make.
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This is my favorite argument ever given by a sports fan.
 
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BOP said:
CP is going to be in the hall of fame. He does things that no one has ever done with the ball in his hands. People are a little bit delusional. This may be a mediocre receiver class but that starts after Patterson. Patterson should be a top 5 pick. Can't imagine how anyone could draw a conclusion that Da'rick could hold his jock strap.
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Are you delusional? I love CP, but as far as with the ball in his hands, I'll take Percy Harvin as a receiver with the ball in his hands 10 times outta 10. Percy was without a doubt the best receiver/running back hybrid that I've seen so far. You must also be forgetting a man named randy moss when he was at Marshall. He didn't have the latteral quickness of Percy, but he made plays with the ball in his hands because noone could catch him, and he was much more polished as an actual receiver. He made it to New York in the heisman race, at Marshall!!! Think a little before saying CP is the greatest. He's awesome, and I'm glad we got to witness him for one year, but he'll flop hard in the NFL if he doesn't learn how to run a route.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Yes, he is...retardo. Kiper and McShay both had him listed as the No.1 WR in this class, all the way up til after season's end. The drops/lack of concentration hurt him, but had he returned to form, he would have been talked about in the same sentence as Calvin Johnson. Up to that point in time, when Johnson was drafted, it was very, very, very rare to find a WR with height, speed and talent. It's still somewhat rare, but not as much.

Justin has the same exact attributes Calvin Johnson had coming out of college. You look dumber with each post you make.
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Just a question. Calvin Johnson coming out of ga tech was 6'5, 235 lbs, ran a 4.3 something forty, and had sticky as glue hands with a tireless work ethic. Yep, sounds like hunter to me, lol. Does that sound like hunters attributes to you?
 
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Vols033 said:
Are you delusional? I love CP, but as far as with the ball in his hands, I'll take Percy Harvin as a receiver with the ball in his hands 10 times outta 10. Percy was without a doubt the best receiver/running back hybrid that I've seen so far. You must also be forgetting a man named randy moss when he was at Marshall. He didn't have the latteral quickness of Percy, but he made plays with the ball in his hands because noone could catch him, and he was much more polished as an actual receiver. He made it to New York in the heisman race, at Marshall!!! Think a little before saying CP is the greatest. He's awesome, and I'm glad we got to witness him for one year, but he'll flop hard in the NFL if he doesn't learn how to run a route.
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You would be wrong 10 out of 10 times. No one moves like CP, no one cuts like CP. Percy Harvin was a great college player he is way overrated as a pro. What CP does translates to the NFL. No one can cut and change direction like this guy. HALL.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
Yes, he is...retardo. Kiper and McShay both had him listed as the No.1 WR in this class, all the way up til after season's end. The drops/lack of concentration hurt him, but had he returned to form, he would have been talked about in the same sentence as Calvin Johnson. Up to that point in time, when Johnson was drafted, it was very, very, very rare to find a WR with height, speed and talent. It's still somewhat rare, but not as much.

Justin has the same exact attributes Calvin Johnson had coming out of college. You look dumber with each post you make.
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Just stop talking. Justin hunter is skinny track star who struggles to make key catches in big games and is scared to death to get hit. Megatron is a HOF receiver who really cannot be guarded let's be honest
 
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BOP said:
You would be wrong 10 out of 10 times. No one moves like CP, no one cuts like CP. Percy Harvin was a great college player he is way overrated as a pro. What CP does translates to the NFL. No one can cut and change direction like this guy. HALL.
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Hall? Dante Hall? Not a bad comparison really.
Oh wait, you meant The Hall. Thanks for the laughs.
 
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