Mendenhall Osama Quotes

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utvolpj said:
it's not emotional when it's just presenting facts. You claim if the US had not been "meddling" in the ME that these men would not have killed US citizens. Does that not put blame on the US?
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No it doesn't put the blame on the US. We are responsible for provoking them. We are not responsible for their retaliation.

If I slap a guy and he shoots me, I am responsible for provoking him, but that does not give him an excuse to kill me. The blame for my death does not fall on me. I'm just stupid, and impractical. Like the US's foreign policy.
 
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nbakerld said:
No it doesn't put the blame on the US. We are responsible for provoking them. We are not responsible for their retaliation.

If I slap a guy and he shoots me, I am responsible for provoking him, but that does not give him an excuse to kill me. The blame for my death does not fall on me. I'm just stupid, and impractical. Like the US's foreign policy.
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Wow.
 
#28
#28
responsibility or blame, you're putting at least some on the US
 
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utvolpj said:
responsibility or blame, you're putting at least some on the US
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Yes, we are responsible for OUR actions. We are to blame for OUR actions. You think differently?

If supporting the reinstatement of Israel, and the Iran Contra, and training the Taliban, etc. are the reason for unjust retaliations against US civilians would you change our actions?
 
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nbakerld said:
Yes, we are responsible for OUR actions. We are to blame for OUR actions. You think differently?

If supporting the reinstatement of Israel, and the Iran Contra, and training the Taliban, etc. are the reason for unjust retaliations against US civilians would you change our actions?
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No, I'd wipe the idiots who think that is just cause for retaliations against civilians off the face of the earth.

Ironically enough, there hasn't been a plot to kill US civilians (as I can tell you don't like the word terrorist sicne we slapped them in the face first) succeed since we decided to go with the strategy I presented.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
No, I'd wipe the idiots who think that is just cause for retaliations against civilians off the face of the earth.

Ironically enough, there hasn't been a plot to kill US civilians (as I can tell you don't like the word terrorist sicne we slapped them in the face first) succeed since we decided to go with the strategy I presented.
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You can say terrorist. You can say whatever you want. That's what I call them.

So how are you going to wipe them off the face of the earth? How are you going to find them all? You are going to wipe all terrorist-sympathizers off the face of the earth? I can't imagine a better way to encourage them to perform suicide bombings.

A 9/11 type event was very rare before the war on terror. Just because we haven't had an event like it in the last 10 years doesn't mean the war on terror is a deterrent.
 
#33
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nbakerld said:
You can say terrorist. You can say whatever you want. That's what I call them.

So how are you going to wipe them off the face of the earth? How are you going to find them all? You are going to wipe all terrorist-sympathizers off the face of the earth? I can't imagine a better way to encourage them to perform suicide bombings.

A 9/11 type event was very rare before the war on terror. Just because we haven't had an event like it in the last 10 years doesn't mean the war on terror is a deterrent.
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One at a time.

And it makes it a lot easier to destroy their organization and communication when you get the higher ups.
 
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#34
And I thought nbaker's NBA knowledge was flawed....
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NYYVol said:
And I thought nbaker's NBA knowledge was flawed....
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I don't care if you agree with me. Thanks for the 3 un-constructive, dismissive comments you brought to this thread. You really made people think today.
 
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nbakerld said:
I don't care if you agree with me. Thanks for the 3 un-constructive, dismissive comments you brought to this thread. You really made people think today.
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Cute. Keep the tin foil hat on, though.
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#38
#38
nbakerld said:
There you go again. Count is up to 4. So thought-provoking!
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You're doing enough work with your thought provoking bullshiz for the rest of us. Keep it up. It's quite humorous.
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#39
nbakerld said:
Maybe he's frustrated. Like me. I believe that Osama bin Laden deserved death, don't get me wrong. But 9/11 was retaliation for our meddling in the middle east. 9/11 led to more meddling in the middle east. Which means we should probably expect more retaliation.
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You can't be serious.
 
#41
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lylsmorr said:
You can't be serious.
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Yes, I am serious. Ronald Reagan apparently thought meddling in the middle east was a bad idea, too.

Ronald Reagan, when he sent the troops in [Lebanon], said he would never turn tail and run. Then, after the Marines were killed, he had a reassessment of the policy. When he wrote his autobiography a few years later after leaving the Presidency, he wrote this.

"Perhaps we didn't appreciate fully enough the depth of the hatred and the complexity of the problems that made the Middle East such a jungle. Perhaps the idea of a suicide car bomber committing mass murder to gain instant entry to Paradise was so foreign to our own values and consciousness that it did not create in us the concern for the marines' safety that it should have.

In the weeks immediately after the bombing, I believe the last thing that we should do was turn tail and leave. Yet the irrationality of Middle Eastern politics forced us to rethink our policy there. If there would be some rethinking of policy before our men die, we would be a lot better off. If that policy had changed towards more of a neutral position and neutrality, those 241 marines would be alive today."
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The Israel Resolution by Ron Paul
 
#42
#42
Meddling in the Middle East is no reason for the killing of thousands of innocent civilians. My God, it sounds like you are saying that for being in the Middle East we are responsible for those deaths.
 
#43
#43
lylsmorr said:
Meddling in the Middle East is no reason for the killing of thousands of innocent civilians. My God, it sounds like you are saying that for being in the Middle East we are responsible for those deaths.
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Agreed. The blood is on Al-Qaeda's hands. That doesn't change the fact that we have a stupid, impractical, wasteful foreign policy. For the American people, the benefits do not outweigh the cost when policing the world. Reagan saw how "irrational" they were, and got the hell out. It doesn't matter that they are in the wrong for suicide bombings, Reagan took the practical approach and avoided becoming a victim again.
 
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lylsmorr said:
Meddling in the Middle East is no reason for the killing of thousands of innocent civilians. My God, it sounds like you are saying that for being in the Middle East we are responsible for those deaths.
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By the way, do you think the attack on Pearl Harbor justifies Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
 
#46
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nbakerld said:
Maybe he's frustrated. Like me. I believe that Osama bin Laden deserved death, don't get me wrong. But 9/11 was retaliation for our meddling in the middle east. 9/11 led to more meddling in the middle east. Which means we should probably expect more retaliation.

Osama told us they retaliated specifically for our meddling, but we don't listen to "his side", we listen to the talking heads who say they attacked us for our freedom. This inevitably dooms us to a never-ending war on the faceless enemy called "terror".

That being said, I highly doubt Mendenhall has put this all together or that this is what he meant.
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honestly, one of his later tweets made it just sound like he's more of a conspiracy-theory believer than anything else:

We'll never know what really happened. I just have a hard time believing a plane could take a skyscraper down demolition style
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#47
#47
I think you should be able to say whatever you want without being held responsible by the gov't. Whatever else happens is your fault or at least avoidable. Free speech is a responsibility.
 
#49
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Mendenhall does his best to clarify statements:

"This controversial statement was something I said in response to the amount of joy I saw in the event of a murder. I don't believe that this is an issue of politics or American pride; but one of religion, morality, and human ethics," he wrote.

After quoting a bible verse, he wrote: "I wasn't questioning Bin Laden's evil acts. I believe that he will have to face God for what he has done. I was reflecting on our own hypocrisy. During 9/11 we watched in horror as parts of the world celebrated death on our soil. Earlier this week, parts of the world watched us in horror celebrating a man's death."
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Rashard Mendenhall tries to clarify bin Laden tweets - ESPN
 
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