Mich Gov rumored to be force killing B10 FB

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It was a 12-2 vote among the Big Ten Presidents not to play football this fall. How do you blame any one person for such a majority? Frankly, some of these posters in this thread are crediting Gov. Whitmer with having more influence than could possibly be the case.
 
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05_never_again said:
Can't help but notice most of the Pac 12 states are blue, Big Ten states are very much purple or blue...Big 12, SEC, and ACC states are either mostly or all red. Definitely different political sensibilities in those different parts of the country.
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Exactly
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Due to lingering resentments, maybe even paranoia, some people want to make things more political than they really are. There is nothing to support the belief that Gov. Gretchen Whitmer of Michigan played a role in the votes by Big Ten Presidents to postpone their football schedules.
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I'd buy a "Whitmer killed the Big Ten season" argument if all the Big Ten schools, or a majority of them, were located in Michigan. Seeing that they aren't, I don't think she had that much influence over the conference as a whole. She certainly had influence on the decision-making at Michigan and Michigan St. And perhaps the way Michigan leaned, being a big school in the Big Ten, could have influenced other schools. But those are just 2 schools.

Having said that, of course the decision to play or not play is highly political, just like everything else.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was a 12-2 vote among the Big Ten Presidents not to play football this fall. How do you blame any one person for such a majority? Frankly, some of these posters in this thread are crediting Gov. Whitmer with having more influence than could possibly be the case.
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Anyone keeping up with the news over the past two weeks, a subset of the population that apparently does not include you, knows that the "12-2 vote" initially discussed on the Dan Patrick show did not take place. There is debate as to whether or not there actually was a vote, if the vote was 8-6 (unlikely), if the vote was 10-4 or if more of a "discussion" took place that resulted in the league punting to winter/spring (with AD support for a fall season "potentially" being unanimous)... but, in any case, your scoop is very out of date.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was a 12-2 vote among the Big Ten Presidents not to play football this fall. How do you blame any one person for such a majority? Frankly, some of these posters in this thread are crediting Gov. Whitmer with having more influence than could possibly be the case.
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Having been involved in similar administrative decision making as a legal advisor I can say that the vote usually comes after everyone knows the outcome. A smart chair won't allow a vote if they can't anticipate the outcome. That said, I doubt that the commissioner or one governor made this decision on his/her own. I also doubt that 12 schools really wanted to cancel the season.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
Anyone keeping up with the news over the past two weeks, a subset of the population that apparently does not include you, knows that the "12-2 vote" initially discussed on the Dan Patrick show did not take place. There is debate as to whether or not there actually was a vote, if the vote was 8-6 (unlikely), if the vote was 10-4 or if more of a "discussion" took place that resulted in the league punting to winter/spring (with AD support for a fall season "potentially" being unanimous)... but, in any case, your scoop is very out of date.
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It is what The Detroit Free Press and other sources have reported. I think you are full of crap.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It is what The Detroit Free Press and other sources have reported. I think you are full of crap.
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The Detroit Free Press "reported" this after it was mentioned on The Dan Patrick Show; they sourced his show, as a matter of fact! Since then, not only has there been absolutely no confirmation of this vote's occurrence, plenty of other articles have come to light calling into question the existence of a vote in general (Penn State's AD and Minnesota's President are quoted here, with league sources also indicating that the vote in question never occurred) or stating that the vote was actually 8-6. I don't believe that an 8-6 vote ever occurred, but insight regarding Penn State/Ohio State brass (including this article, dated the same day as the articles about your fictitious vote) has at the very least indicated that there was never any 12-2 consensus.

In short, this is yet another topic about which you're embarrassingly-misinformed.
 
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TrumpedUpVol said:
The Detroit Free Press "reported" this after it was mentioned on The Dan Patrick Show; they sourced his show, as a matter of fact! Since then, not only has there been absolutely no confirmation of this vote's occurrence, plenty of other articles have come to light calling into question the existence of a vote in general (Penn State's AD and Minnesota's President are quoted here, with league sources also indicating that the vote in question never occurred) or stating that the vote was actually 8-6. I don't believe that an 8-6 vote ever occurred, but insight regarding Penn State/Ohio State brass (including this article, dated the same day as the articles about your fictitious vote) has at the very least indicated that there was never any 12-2 consensus.

In short, this is yet another topic about which you're embarrassingly-misinformed.
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USA Today also reported on the 12-2 vote by Big Ten Presidents.... in short, you are full of crap.
 
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The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, guys.

Did Whitmer kill Big Ten football all by herself? No. It's totally reasonable to assume she had influence over the Michigan schools, and the decision of the Michigan schools could have influenced other Big Ten schools, but she didn't kill Big Ten football all by herself. Was it a decision where politics came into play? Yes.
 
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05_never_again said:
The truth is usually somewhere in the middle, guys.

Did Whitmer kill Big Ten football all by herself? No. It's totally reasonable to assume she had influence over the Michigan schools, and the decision of the Michigan schools could have influenced other Big Ten schools, but she didn't kill Big Ten football all by herself. Was it a decision where politics came into play? Yes.
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Usually the case with a large amounts of money changing hands to “see that it’s done”
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
My guess is that the majority of college presidents at the Big 10 schools are more liberal than conservative and were looking for the right moment to cancel the Fall season. They couldn’t wait any longer as practices had started without huge problems.
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I thought they continued to practice. I thought this was one of the parental issues, if they could practice, why couldn't they play.
 
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This decision was made by the University Presidents, which are politically appointed, and currently very liberally leaning in most cases. Think about how many crappy, incompetent, presidents UT has had since Boling. CIte one we should name a building after other than the waste treatment plant.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
My guess is that the majority of college presidents at the Big 10 schools are more liberal than conservative and were looking for the right moment to cancel the Fall season. They couldn’t wait any longer as practices had started without huge problems.
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They were looking for the right time to cancel and they decided to do that less than a week after releasing a carefully planned schedule? I don’t buy it. I think there is a lot going on politically here. Hell, Warren has given an interview with Pete Thamel discussing how the B1G players could impact the election, so I think it’s fair to make an argument that he has allowed politics to be more influential in this process than he should have. The bottom line is that he has handled this very poorly.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
They were looking for the right time to cancel and they decided to do that less than a week after releasing a carefully planned schedule? I don’t buy it. I think there is a lot going on politically here. Hell, Warren has given an interview with Pete Thamel discussing how the B1G players could impact the election, so I think it’s fair to make an argument that he has allowed politics to be more influential in this process than he should have. The bottom line is that he has handled this very poorly.
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I also believe the decision was political. Maybe I didn’t word it right but I think the university presidents didn’t want a football season and were hoping for a huge surge of cases with some of their teams. When that didn’t happen, they used the myocarditis paper as an excuse. Warren is just a puppet.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Arizona, Colorado and Utah are not blue states.
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The Pac 12 schools in those states are also incidental to the decision-making process. They don't move the needle. The ACC has a member in MA, perhaps the bluest state in the country, (Boston College), but they don't matter either.

The big players in the Pac 12 are located in CA, OR, and WA; extremely blue states. The Big Ten players are in blue or purple states (PA, OH, MI, WI).

The big SEC, Big 12, and ACC players are in ruby red states.
 
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05_never_again said:
Can't help but notice most of the Pac 12 states are blue, Big Ten states are very much purple or blue...Big 12, SEC, and ACC states are either mostly or all red. Definitely different political sensibilities in those different parts of the country.
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You don't know what you are talking about.

Indiana (the home of both Indiana University and Purdue University from the Big Ten Conference) has become a red state. Their governor (Eric Holcomb) is a Republican, and so are both of their Senators (Todd Young and Mike Braun). The Republican Party also holds a super-majority in both chambers of the Indiana General Assembly. In fact, Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana State Senate by a 40-10 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana House of Representatives by a 67-33 margin. It is also Mike Pence's home state. Donald Trump will carry Indiana easily.

You could probably get away with calling Iowa a "purple" state, but it definitely leans red. Iowa's Governor (Kim Reynolds) is a Republican. Both of Iowa's Senators (Joni Ernst and Charles Grassley) are also Republican. The Republican Party also controls both chambers of the Iowa General Assembly. Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa State Senate by a 32-18 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa House of Representatives by a 53-47 margin. Donald Trump should also carry Iowa, but it will be much closer than Indiana.

Are you going to shift your narrative to telling us that Indiana University, Purdue University and the University of Iowa "don't move the needle" in the Big Ten? Not everything revolves around politics, and these decisions aren't being made by politicians.
 
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