Mich Gov rumored to be force killing B10 FB

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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't know what you are talking about.

Indiana (the home of both Indiana University and Purdue University from the Big Ten Conference) has become a red state. Their governor (Eric Holcomb) is a Republican, and so are both of their Senators (Todd Young and Mike Braun). The Republican Party also holds a super-majority in both chambers of the Indiana General Assembly. In fact, Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana State Senate by a 40-10 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana House of Representatives by a 67-33 margin. It is also Mike Pence's home state. Donald Trump will carry Indiana easily.

You could probably get away with calling Iowa a "purple" state, but it definitely leans red. Iowa's Governor (Kim Reynolds) is a Republican. Both of Iowa's Senators (Joni Ernst and Charles Grassley) are also Republican. The Republican Party also controls both chambers of the Iowa General Assembly. Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa State Senate by a 32-18 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa House of Representatives by a 53-47 margin. Donald Trump should also carry Iowa, but it will be much closer than Indiana.

Are you going to shift your narrative to telling us that Indiana University, Purdue University and the University of Iowa "don't move the needle" in the Big Ten? Not everything revolves around politics, and these decisions aren't being made by politicians.
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Indiana does not matter one iota relative to football. Iowa doesn't really either, although moreso than Indiana. Of course there are exceptions; the ACC has a member school in Massachusetts and another in New York. Do you think Boston College and Syracuse matter though in a decision about the football season? Clemson and FSU (mostly Clemson) in large part are going to determine what the ACC does.

The needle-mover states in the Big Ten (PA, OH, MI, WI) are either purple or blue states. Ohio is the prototypical swing state. PA, MI, and WI voted blue for several presidential elections until 2016. PA, MI, and WI have Democratic governors. They are all purple or blue states.

The decisions are ultimately not made by politicians, but if you're claiming that they don't influence the people making them (i.e., the school Presidents), you're nuts. These are public universities we're talking about for the most part, funded partially with tax dollars. Of course these decisions are political - decision-making in every regard about this virus has been political from the jump, on both sides.
 
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OldandStillaVol said:
I also believe the decision was political. Maybe I didn’t word it right but I think the university presidents didn’t want a football season and were hoping for a huge surge of cases with some of their teams. When that didn’t happen, they used the myocarditis paper as an excuse. Warren is just a puppet.
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I don’t know if they were hoping for a surge, but it sure seems they were not doing everything they could to try and have a season. If I were a fan of B1G or PAC12 school I think this would be most the frustrating part of canceling the season. The B1G was the first conference to make changes after the Ivy cancelled their season, which begs the question, why does the Ivy League have any bearing on what any P5 Conference does? This reeks of the esteemed academia thinking that they belong in the conversation with the Ivy League or being in bed with the “forward” thinking PAC12 universities. The reality is that they overplayed their hand, they thought could bully the other P5 into cancelling, everyone else called their bluff
and if we somehow get through this season Kevin Warren will be the fall guy and his dreams of being the NFL Commissioner will be destroyed if they haven’t been already.
 
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05_never_again said:
The Pac 12 schools in those states are also incidental to the decision-making process. They don't move the needle. The ACC has a member in MA, perhaps the bluest state in the country, (Boston College), but they don't matter either.

The big players in the Pac 12 are located in CA, OR, and WA; extremely blue states. The Big Ten players are in blue or purple states (PA, OH, MI, WI).

The big SEC, Big 12, and ACC players are in ruby red states.
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Wrong. Syracuse is in a blue state. So are VPI and UVA, NC is purple, at best.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
Wrong. Syracuse is in a blue state. So are VPI and UVA, NC is purple, at best.
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Read my other post. I said the SEC, Big 12, and ACC "players" are in red states. Nobody could care less about Syracuse or Boston College relative to football.

NC is still red-leaning. Went for Obama in 2008, currently has a D governor, but is otherwise red. It's more purple than a state like Alabama or South Carolina, but still red.
 
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05_never_again said:
I'd buy a "Whitmer killed the Big Ten season" argument if all the Big Ten schools, or a majority of them, were located in Michigan. Seeing that they aren't, I don't think she had that much influence over the conference as a whole. She certainly had influence on the decision-making at Michigan and Michigan St. And perhaps the way Michigan leaned, being a big school in the Big Ten, could have influenced other schools. But those are just 2 schools.

Having said that, of course the decision to play or not play is highly political, just like everything else.
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She had more influence than one would realize. Two of the biggest B1G schools in the conference in her state. She had pull over them. That put pressure on OSU admin. After those 3, the rest fell in like dominoes.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't know what you are talking about.

Indiana (the home of both Indiana University and Purdue University from the Big Ten Conference) has become a red state. Their governor (Eric Holcomb) is a Republican, and so are both of their Senators (Todd Young and Mike Braun). The Republican Party also holds a super-majority in both chambers of the Indiana General Assembly. In fact, Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana State Senate by a 40-10 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Indiana House of Representatives by a 67-33 margin. It is also Mike Pence's home state. Donald Trump will carry Indiana easily.

You could probably get away with calling Iowa a "purple" state, but it definitely leans red. Iowa's Governor (Kim Reynolds) is a Republican. Both of Iowa's Senators (Joni Ernst and Charles Grassley) are also Republican. The Republican Party also controls both chambers of the Iowa General Assembly. Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa State Senate by a 32-18 margin, and Republicans outnumber Democrats in the Iowa House of Representatives by a 53-47 margin. Donald Trump should also carry Iowa, but it will be much closer than Indiana.

Are you going to shift your narrative to telling us that Indiana University, Purdue University and the University of Iowa "don't move the needle" in the Big Ten? Not everything revolves around politics, and these decisions aren't being made by politicians.
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It won't even be close. You can't go a mile in ANY direction in Indiana without seeing at LEAST 10 Trump signs or flags. Have NEVER seen a Biden anything in the state.
 
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05_never_again said:
Indiana does not matter one iota relative to football. Iowa doesn't really either, although moreso than Indiana. Of course there are exceptions; the ACC has a member school in Massachusetts and another in New York. Do you think Boston College and Syracuse matter though in a decision about the football season? Clemson and FSU (mostly Clemson) in large part are going to determine what the ACC does.

The needle-mover states in the Big Ten (PA, OH, MI, WI) are either purple or blue states. Ohio is the prototypical swing state. PA, MI, and WI voted blue for several presidential elections until 2016. PA, MI, and WI have Democratic governors. They are all purple or blue states.

The decisions are ultimately not made by politicians, but if you're claiming that they don't influence the people making them (i.e., the school Presidents), you're nuts. These are public universities we're talking about for the most part, funded partially with tax dollars. Of course these decisions are political - decision-making in every regard about this virus has been political from the jump, on both sides.
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You don't know. Your whole premise is based on conjecture. At first, you claim that Big Ten states are blue or purple, and when that is blown up... you shift to "yeah, but they don't move the needle". As if you are privy to a behind-the-scenes pecking order.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
You don't know. Your whole premise is based on conjecture. At first, you claim that Big Ten states are blue or purple, and when that is blown up... you shift to "yeah, but they don't move the needle". As if you are privy to a behind-the-scenes pecking order.
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If you don't think that Michigan is ahead of Indiana, Purdue, or Iowa in the Big Ten pecking order, I don't know what else to say.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
It was a 12-2 vote among the Big Ten Presidents not to play football this fall. How do you blame any one person for such a majority? Frankly, some of these posters in this thread are crediting Gov. Whitmer with having more influence than could possibly be the case.
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Yes, now that you have repeated this literally 4 times, it makes much more sense.
 
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BUBear said:
You really think she cares about it?

The highest-grossing football programs in college football are...
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Forget about revenue... what about largest debts?

OrangeandBlueNews - Supinie: Pandemic puts strain on Illinois athletic department budget

Among public universities, Illinois ranks second in the nation with athletic department debt at $325 million. The service debt is more than $20 million a year, Whitman acknowledged, and now comes a pandemic that might shut down the biggest revenue producers, if football goes the same route as the NCAA Tournament did last spring.
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Paying off the debt, paying for scholarships and paying salaries are generally the pecking order. Illinois isn’t alone in this mess. Michigan ranks fourth among public school athletic departments with $300 million in debt, following immediately by Minnesota ($252 million) and Ohio State ($250). At the same time, Wisconsin is sitting on $190 million in reserves.
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