Michigan Investigated for Sign Stealing

[volnbama_]

It’s the same thing as what the Patriots did sending staffers to other team’s games and having them record the sideline instead of the game. They had a videographer get caught at a Bengals-Browns game and few years back and the Patriots were fined $1M and a draft pick taken away. It’s pretty cut and dry cheating in both college and NFL.

The NCAA doesn’t have real power anymore. At most, I see them getting a fine and maybe some restrictions for off campus recruiting

 

[05_never_again]

Oh. I’m sorry. We can’t just buy a ticket and watch a game against Nebraska and Louisiana Tech on a crisp Saturday in Lincoln?

I thought this was America.

I'm sure that's what Harbaugh will say his boys were doing.

 

[Orange.]

Weren’t they already under investigation for recruiting? Not a good look bob…..

The article:

The investigation comes on the heels of Michigan's self-imposed three-game suspension for Jim Harbaugh for alleged Level II NCAA violations related to impermissible recruiting and coaching during the COVID-19 dead period. He is also accused of providing false or misleading information to the NCAA during its investigation. Harbaugh previously negotiated a four-game suspension with the NCAA, but the Committee on Infractions ultimately rejected the negotiated resolution. The case is now expected to go through the disciplinary process next year.

There is also the issue, which CBS omits, that one of Harbaugh's guys was fired for something, still kept hush, involving university computers.

 

[Orange.]

The NCAA doesn’t have real power anymore. At most, I see them getting a fine and maybe some restrictions for off campus recruiting

It is a matter of who they go after and who they let slide. It's a form of rigging. The article notes, apparently for no reason, that

Michigan has won the Big Ten and reached the College Football Playoff in each of the past two seasons.

That typically means that the NCAA will let them slide and the find someone to punish to show how tough they are. Western Michigan had better watch their step!

You noticed how Harbaugh got nothing for obstruction and the suspensions only involved tune up games?

Also, please note, the NCAA is simply the schools themselves.

 

[VolFreakJosh]

It is a matter of who they go after and who they let slide. It's a form of rigging.

Exactly.

The NCAA is corrupt and will only punish those who they feel like punishing.

 

[Orange.]

Alabama gonna have to forfeit their 46 titles pre Saban!

Everyone in the country knew that Saban bought his first 5-star loaded (Julio Jones) signing class, and the NCAA was literally on campus for an investigation at the time, and they just ignored it intentionally. They have turned a blind eye since.

Saban's success is predicated on cheating with impunity. Since he has never won at Bama any other way, it is a fact that there is no evidence that he can win without cheating with impunity.

 

[zjcvols]

 

[zjcvols]

Exactly.

The NCAA is corrupt and will only punish those who they feel like punishing.

I just find it interesting that for six years Jim Harbaugh had no issues; then he drops “yeah the ncaa sucks and we should pay kids tv money” and now he’s piled two investigations in the last year

 

[Voltopia]

Interesting to hear that the investigation is focued on 2021 as the year Michigan began scouting. Harbaugh always lost 3-4 games a year, but finally broke through in 2021 with that big 12-2 season, then followed up with 13-1 last year. Doesn't prove the claims against them, but if they do expose scouting dating back to 2021, that'll make the conversation about Harbaugh's legacy at Michigan a very interesting one.

 

[05_never_again]

I just find it interesting that for six years Jim Harbaugh had no issues; then he drops “yeah the ncaa sucks and we should pay kids tv money” and now he’s piled two investigations in the last year

Isn't Michigan a program they'd be more likely to treat with kid gloves? It's image and brand is on par with Alabama or Notre Dame's.

 

[zjcvols]

Isn't Michigan a program they'd be more likely to treat with kid gloves? It's image and brand is on par with Alabama or Notre Dame's.

Not really. It’s like Tennessee. Once super awesome program that lost its luster during the college football boom. Not sure Michigan is a true “brand” anymore

 

[05_never_again]

Not really. It’s like Tennessee. Once super awesome program that lost its luster during the college football boom. Not sure Michigan is a true “brand” anymore

You've got to be joking. Your bias is showing. Although what you just said is very atypical for a Michigan fan though.

 

[Fightmaker]

Exactly.

The NCAA is corrupt and will only punish those who they feel like punishing.

I kinda feel like they want to pick a fight with Harbaugh though. They are less than pleased about the way the current/previous recruiting dead period thing is being handled, so I’m hoping this will get juicy.

 

[zjcvols]

You've got to be joking. Your bias is showing. Although what you just said is very atypical for a Michigan fan though.

What did I say? I don’t think it’s a Alabama/Notre Dame/Ohio State/Texas/Georgia type brand? Those are like the top 5. It’s in the tiier below that. Like with Clemson/Tennessee. They’ve been elite for two years and haven’t won a title since 1997.

 

[05_never_again]

What did I say? I don’t think it’s a Alabama/Notre Dame/Ohio State/Texas/Georgia type brand? Those are like the top 5. It’s in the tiier below that. Like with Clemson/Tennessee. They’ve been elite for two years and haven’t won a title since 1997.

There's a difference between the brand and the on-field performance of the program. Most Michigan fans think that their brand and the historical performance of the program is elite. Just the former is.

UGA does not belong in the list of schools you mentioned. It is a great but not elite brand, the last 2 years of performance notwithstanding. IMO the "elite" brands of CFB are Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Texas, and USC. UGA, Tennessee, UF, etc. are in a tier below that. Clemson is in a tier below that. Brands are not built in the last 5, or even 25, years of performance.

 

[Volfan76]

What a Slimebaugh(yes I have a trademark on that). There is no way to use this successfully without getting the players in on this. It is bad enough to cheat, but to be a coach and teaching young men that cheating is ok to win is morally reprehensible.

 

[Tman44]

It seems Michigan is being proactive in limiting information about Connor Stalions. I went to the official Michigan website and clicked on "Coaches and Staff." Only the coaches appear on the page. The entire staff has been wiped off the page. Interesting

Michigan Football Coaches and Staff - University of Michigan Athletics

Sherrone Moore J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach Full Bio Kirk Campbell Sanford Robertson Offensive Coordinator / Robert McCollum Family Qua...

mgoblue.com

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

You can buy a ticket and watch a game, you can’t pay for or have someone on staff buy a ticket specifically to record and figure out the signals of a future opponent.

There’s kind of a big difference….

Guarantee they were not recording in any significant manner. This rule is so stupid that it should make the Exhibit list in the trial trying to determine if the NCAA should exist.

 

[zjcvols]

There's a difference between the brand and the on-field performance of the program. Most Michigan fans think that their brand and the historical performance of the program is elite. Just the former is.

UGA does not belong in the list of schools you mentioned. It is a great but not elite brand, the last 2 years of performance notwithstanding. IMO the "elite" brands of CFB are Alabama, Notre Dame, Michigan, Ohio St, Oklahoma, Texas, and USC. UGA, Tennessee, UF, etc. are in a tier below that. Clemson is in a tier below that. Brands are not built in the last 5, or even 25, years of performance.

Michigan has won a single national title since WW2. This is a brand new age. Nebraska is historically a way more successful program than Clemson. Gets who gets talked about way way more on the national stage. Clemson. That’s how the wheel works

 

[zjcvols]

I will say. Hopefully this brings about a much needed change to college football to do the headset with the QB like in the NFL. The NFL has been doing this for like 30 years and it’s ridiculous the NCAA hasn’t adopted any measure of this.

 

[05_never_again]

Michigan has won a single national title since WW2. This is a brand new age. Nebraska is historically a way more successful program than Clemson. Gets who gets talked about way way more on the national stage. Clemson. That’s how the wheel works

You're conflating "gets talked about a lot today" with "best brand." Brands get built over decades and decades and it also takes a long time for them to degrade. IMO, Nebraska's brand is closer to still being elite than you'd think. 10 years ago, I'd actually say it was still an elite brand. There's a reason why there is so much national interest in the downfall of that program, and if their latest coach is equipped to turn them around. They aren't a relevant program on the field, but they most definitely are still a relevant brand.

There for a hot second, Colorado was talked about more than maybe anyone else on the national stage. Did they have the best brand in CFB at that time? IMO, one of the best-marketed programs today and over the last decade or so is Oregon. They are a good, but not elite, brand though. If they continue their marketability and good play for another couple of decades (and probably will need to win at least one title), they could enter that elite territory.

 

[Delmar]

Exactly.

The NCAA is corrupt and will only punish those who they feel like punishing.

That’s for sure. As an aside, I saw an article today about Bill Self where he is complaining that the investigation “tarnished” his reputation. He should consider himself lucky that he and Kansas got off with a slap on the wrist. Now he’s just whining.

 

[Fightmaker]

It seems Michigan is being proactive in limiting information about Connor Stalions. I went to the official Michigan website and clicked on "Coaches and Staff." Only the coaches appear on the page. The entire staff has been wiped off the page. Interesting

Michigan Football Coaches and Staff - University of Michigan Athletics

Sherrone Moore J. Ira and Nicki Harris Family Head Football Coach Full Bio Kirk Campbell Sanford Robertson Offensive Coordinator / Robert McCollum Family Qua...

mgoblue.com

I thought the statements from Harbaugh, the university, and the big all, were telling. Not even a sliver of denial in any of their words. I think they already know he did at least enough to have some smoldering. I’m sure he’s been quietly told that his watch has ended.

 

[loosecannon]

I may be in the minority here, but I don’t mind stealing signs if it is done as part of a live game. When I coached football as a DC, I would always have an offensive coach or player that would pick up on signs and relay them to me. I had a LB that was elite at it and would adjust us accordingly. It’s just part of the game to use what you see.

If UM is digitally recording signals and deciphering them, they need wins vacated. Regardless, I do not believe for one second that Harbaugh knew nothing was happening.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Did Harbaugh go to the Belicheck school of coaching?