Michigan St. @ Indiana

#51
#51
2) Do you really not know what the term 'quality' refers to? Are you also familiar with the term 'qualify'? Do you understand maybe how one could qualify a 'simple W' by saying, say, "it was early in the year when such and such..."?

Again, with the condescension. Dude, let me put it out there for you. You are nowhere near as smart as you seem to think you are. If you were, you wouldn't attempt to stack arguments in your favor. Guess what, that crap doesn't work with me.

You still haven't answered my question. Was Texas or was Texas not playing much better basketball at the time of their meeting with MSU.
 
#52
#52
Great effort by IU tonight. It has been a tough season for the Hoosiers, but I see bright things for the future of IU basketball.
 
#53
#53
damn.

this team has come miles and miles from the team i saw lose to Gonzaga back in December.

it's a hard one to take, regardless of the fact that IU had no business being in the game to begin with. at least Purdue has no shot at the Big 10 title now. i can deal with a gutsy effort and screwing Purdue out of a shot at the title.

I'm with ya. Anything that disfavors Purdont is fine with me.
 
#54
#54
Again, with the condescension. Dude, let me put it out there for you. You are nowhere near as smart as you seem to think you are. If you were, you wouldn't attempt to stack arguments in your favor. Guess what, that crap doesn't work with me.

You still haven't answered my question. Was Texas or was Texas not playing much better basketball at the time of their meeting with MSU.

You are in for a Pomeroy laden stat beating. Be prepared to duck.
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#56
#56
You are in for a Pomeroy laden stat beating. Be prepared to duck.
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I dunno that it would be wise for him to start throwing kenpom out at me, since he would then have to admit that MSU has played pretty damn well against teams in the top 30 of Pomeroy's rankings.
 
#61
#61
Another thing great about IU basketball is they got decent showings to just about every home game this year, all while being one of the worst teams in the major conferences.

The IU athletic department did a great job by selling balcony seats for $5 to students leading up to the games that were not previously sold out, but they probably had no other choice seeing as they didn't sell out the student tickets in the preseason for the first time in awhile, the piss poor football game attendance every year, new football stadium addition (horseshoe look; looks real nice by the way), new basketball practice facility going up (looks real ugly by the way), and the economy.
 
#62
#62
i don't know who they think is going to fill the seats in the new addition to the football stadium.
 
#63
#63
Again, with the condescension. Dude, let me put it out there for you. You are nowhere near as smart as you seem to think you are. If you were, you wouldn't attempt to stack arguments in your favor. Guess what, that crap doesn't work with me.

You still haven't answered my question. Was Texas or was Texas not playing much better basketball at the time of their meeting with MSU.

If it comes across as condescension, it's only because it's a response in keeping with the tone of what it responded to.

Dude, having a basic ability to stretch out a thought and hold stake to it is not a) feeling super smart and all-knowing, nor b) implied omniscience of any kind. It's an opinon with backing, which is better than just a simple opinion. You probably know that already.

You said "if simple Ws dont matter why talk about quality wins?" and then I pointed out how those two things are not related. That is all. Sorry if you felt it was condescension, I was just making it clear.

As for the ol' kenpom line again: they are not HIS stats, they are the numerical language of what has occurred in basketball games that we watch. Using a statistic is just a concise way of stating a point, or highlighting an element of the game without having to write 4 paragraphs about it.

You know the game, bigpapavol, so many times a number alone should be able to tell you a larger story.

Texas lost to arkansas like 2 weeks later, so no, I don't believe they were playing their best basketball at that time. I'm sure you watched the game just like I did, and noted how frequently texas turned the ball over to a not-so-typically-thieving MSU D.
 
#64
#64
As for the ol' kenpom line again: they are not HIS stats, they are the numerical language of what has occurred in basketball games that we watch. Using a statistic is just a concise way of stating a point, or highlighting an element of the game without having to write 4 paragraphs about it.
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It's based on his formula. Regardless of your interpretation of my ideas about kenpom. If you put any stock into his rankings, you have to give MSU credit for more than one quality win.
 
#65
#65
i don't know who they think is going to fill the seats in the new addition to the football stadium.

No idea... Coach Hep got students to actually make the trek from the fields to the stadium, but Lynch not so much. They need to string together a couple bowl seasons, but that is unlikely with the current coach and Indiana will always be a drinking school with a basketball problem..
 
#66
#66
See that's just it, I'm not a disciple or an apostle of kenpom. It's just a really good source for easily accessible numbers. The numbers are quite high on Michigan state, so I could be missing something when watching them play--I've only seen about 10 games of theirs this year, and maybe in the other games different things have transpired--but from the eye-test they have failed to impress me much.
 
#67
#67
Also about the 'formula': I mean it's just a really basic formula that anyone could have thought up, and if you asked a random guy how to arrive at X he'd quickly spout out the same thing. It just seems odd when some people call them 'his numbers', as though he's some mad scientist and these numbers are anything more than the numerical output of the games. That's really all they are.

I mean 10 years ago if I asked you "how often does team X turn the ball over?" wouldn't you just naturally find out how many possessions they've had and how many turnovers and then just divide TO/POSS?

That's basically all he's doing, in most instances.
 

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