Michigan Will Kill Us If We Switch Screens...

#26
#26
You also said in your Michigan guard scouting report that the best way to defend Morris is to go under screens cause he shoots a low percentage from 3... so why are you concerned with 1-4/5 hedges?

I answered that question in the post to zjc. Both of you are right that we need to go under screens, but it's not as if you can keep your post in the paint and simply go under screens. Morris will be instantly in the paint if they set ball screens and we go behind them while not requiring our bigs to do anything. The main goal is keeping him on the perimeter and out of the paint.
 
#27
#27
We absolutely have to force him to shoot. But, you have to stay in front of Morris. Even going under screens, it is going to take some help from our bigs to keep him from turning the corner. He has to be kept on the perimeter; hedging or trapping the screen will be about the only way to ensure that Morris does not get in the paint on us.

The bigs' job is to give his teammate room to get through. If they bust their arse under the screen there is no need for the big to help. He only has to step to help in a dire emergency. I believe Goins is quick enough to get under the screen and meet him on the other side.
 
#28
#28
The bigs' job is to give his teammate room to get through. If they bust their arse under the screen there is no need for the big to help. He only has to step to help in a dire emergency. I believe Goins is quick enough to get under the screen and meet him on the other side.

At that point, you're looking at an open 3 or a dunk by the 5 off the roll. I've watched this kid play some; if he gets any opening at all he's by the defender. I think trapping the screen might actually be the best option. It takes the ball out of Morris' hands. Their offense becomes much less lethal when he's not the primary ball handler.
 
#29
#29
At that point, you're looking at an open 3 or a dunk by the 5 off the roll. I've watched this kid play some; if he gets any opening at all he's by the defender. I think trapping the screen might actually be the best option. It takes the ball out of Morris' hands. Their offense becomes much less lethal when he's not the primary ball handler.

Trapping could work but that brings you back to the point of are our bigs athletic enough to do it? Back when we had Chism it wasn't a question. But with B-Dub I don't see it happening. I agree that this is a huge issue in the game and it will be interesting to see how we choose to handle it. I think you may see some of Tobias at the 5. If Morris is as bad a shooter as his numbers imply, there is no reason for our bigs to be up close guarding him. Give him an extra step of space and be ready to move your feet.

As a sidenote it is nice to see someone who can intelligently discuss basketball strategy. :hi:
 
#30
#30
Trapping could work but that brings you back to the point of are our bigs athletic enough to do it? Back when we had Chism it wasn't a question. But with B-Dub I don't see it happening. I agree that this is a huge issue in the game and it will be interesting to see how we choose to handle it. I think you may see some of Tobias at the 5. If Morris is as bad a shooter as his numbers imply, there is no reason for our bigs to be up close guarding him. Give him an extra step of space and be ready to move your feet.

As a sidenote it is nice to see someone who can intelligently discuss basketball strategy. :hi:

Good debate. I think this will be a big issue in the game, and I wouldn't be surprised to see Harris at the 5 a little as well.
 
#31
#31
It's laughable that you are positive this is the best way to defend Michigan. They will watch HOURS of film and decide what is best. I tend trust however they choose to defend ballscreens over you
 
#32
#32
It's laughable that you are positive this is the best way to defend Michigan. They will watch HOURS of film and decide what is best. I tend trust however they choose to defend ballscreens over you

It's simply a discussion. I hope they create the most fantastic gameplan known to mankind. I'm just throwing out possible scenarios and what I think is best. Surprisingly, that's what message boards are about. So, get over it. Try adding to the discussion instead of crying and *****ing about someone talking about strategy on an upcoming game.
 
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#34
#34
It's laughable that you are positive this is the best way to defend Michigan. They will watch HOURS of film and decide what is best. I tend trust however they choose to defend ballscreens over you

I guess we shouldn't talk about it then...
 
#35
#35
We absolutely have to force him to shoot. But, you have to stay in front of Morris. Even going under screens, it is going to take some help from our bigs to keep him from turning the corner. He has to be kept on the perimeter; hedging or trapping the screen will be about the only way to ensure that Morris does not get in the paint on us.

Correct. We don't want to play five feet off him. Kind of reminds me of Rondo somewhat. You want to give him a little room because he is dangerous driving, but if you give him too much he can find all sorts of passing angles. I wouldn't mind a show hedge, where you just block his driving lane for a half second till the guard can come over and defend.
 
#36
#36
Pearl has shown the ability to really defensively gameplan well in big games (Pitt, Nova, Vandy). I expect the plan to be solid. Not sure how one could read what I wrote as some sort of backdoor way of criticizing Pearl.[/QUOTE]

Me either. Solid analysis.
 
#37
#37
We absolutely have to force him to shoot. But, you have to stay in front of Morris. Even going under screens, it is going to take some help from our bigs to keep him from turning the corner. He has to be kept on the perimeter; hedging or trapping the screen will be about the only way to ensure that Morris does not get in the paint on us.

Good analysis LV. I like you better when you aren't throwing insults. I haven't seen them play. Do they extend at the point on D? Or sag back and attack the wings? I see they don't trap in the corner. Question is, who does UT have work the baseline? We don't have a solid corner shooter. A version of Tx winter triangle offense would be fitting for friday. And JP sure would be nice to have friday. He'd have alley oop opps all day.
 
#38
#38
I think we'll see a lot of Harris at center and Pearl playing the 4. Hall and Fields foul a lot...
 
#39
#39
Haven't really seen much of Michigan. Apparently they like the 1-3-1 zone. Is it a trapping zone? This zone can really be effective for teams that run it well. However, it can be susceptible to overloads and weak side drives.
 
#40
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I am generally worried about our offense, or lack thereof. Teams like Michigan that shoot a high number of three point baskets generally have done poor in the tournament lately, UT early in the pearl era and that loaded st.joe's team come to mind.
 
#41
#41
Well, it isn't a good sign that our scout team looked so good yesterday running the Michigan offense. If they can run it so well, wonder why we don't run their offense against them. It is sure better than the half-court effort we have going.
 
#42
#42
Well, it isn't a good sign that our scout team looked so good yesterday running the Michigan offense. If they can run it so well, wonder why we don't run their offense against them. It is sure better than the half-court effort we have going.

Hey, now there's a plan. Hilarious man. :)

OP, I think the 'Pearl bashing' ideas come from the last sentence where it sounds like you know what to do and hope Pearl figures it out too. Splitting hairs IMO.

Interesting points here. But, we sure sound scaed around here. The discussions all seem based on 'how can we stop them', when our team better come prepared to do so with a 'they better be ready to stop us attitude'. After the past 6-8 games the doubt makes perfect sense tho.
 
#43
#43
I was just thinking the same thing. I can't remember seeing Williams switching a lot and chasing PG's.

Because he doesn't. Williams hedges on top screens well, if anything he sags too much sometimes.

Next we'll get a thread informing us that Michigan will kill us if they hit uncontested three pointers all day.
 
#44
#44
You bring up good points. This team has shown no ability to play good defense consistently off of ball screens at the top of the key, and I don't anticipate that changing against Michigan.. Our best defense may have to be them shooting in an unfamiliar gym.

Because Scotty and Tatum avoid a screen like the plague. Williams rarely gets caught on a top screen.
 
#45
#45
Hey, now there's a plan. Hilarious man. :)

OP, I think the 'Pearl bashing' ideas come from the last sentence where it sounds like you know what to do and hope Pearl figures it out too. Splitting hairs IMO.

Interesting points here. But, we sure sound scaed around here. The discussions all seem based on 'how can we stop them', when our team better come prepared to do so with a 'they better be ready to stop us attitude'. After the past 6-8 games the doubt makes perfect sense tho.

We have several posters who know more about the game than Pearl. Much more. Just ask them.
 
#46
#46
You bring up good points. This team has shown no ability to play good defense consistently off of ball screens at the top of the key, and I don't anticipate that changing against Michigan.. Our best defense may have to be them shooting in an unfamiliar gym.

Underrated point. Charlotte Coliseum is closer in size to TBA than Crisler. Tough to shoot in a bigger venue.
 
#47
#47
Michigan's system is based on spacing, driving, drawing, and dishing. If I'm Michigan, I'm setting a lot of 5-1 screens forcing Brian Williams to get out there and hedge, which he's not very good at. Expect to see Williams get out late and foul Morris or get out late where Morris is able to turn the corner and score or kick out for the three. The question then will become whether Pearl wants to switch the screen or take Williams out in favor of a better athlete, Fields or Hall. This will also be a concern with 4-1 screens with Harris. If Williams or Harris switch onto Morris, he will have an absolute field day. This is a game where fundamental hedging and recovering will be key. Let's hope that's the path Pearl chooses.

Very good analysis. Very enlightening.
 
#48
#48
Because he doesn't. Williams hedges on top screens well, if anything he sags too much sometimes.

Next we'll get a thread informing us that Michigan will kill us if they hit uncontested three pointers all day.
Do what? Every team in the SEC runs the gig ball screen with their best post player and PG because we switched the screen so much. We went to the Ice disaster to avoid it. The ice essentially becomes a trap and we have no prayer of executing that.
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#49
#49
Do what? Every team in the SEC runs the gig ball screen with their best post player and PG because we switched the screen so much. We went to the Ice disaster to avoid it. The ice essentially becomes a trap and we have no prayer of executing that.
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Exactly. When we're not switching, BW always picks up a couple cheap fouls being late on the hedge, or he just lets the PG turn the corner on us. Stating that Brian Williams is a good hedger is about the most damning statement of not having a clue as any I've seen in a while. UTIE needs to stick with pretending he knows everything about the KO situation.
 
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#50
#50
Underrated point. Charlotte Coliseum is closer in size to TBA than Crisler. Tough to shoot in a bigger venue.

That's actually a really good point. I'm not really sure of any comparable size Big 10 arenas. If you know any, please share and we'll check their shooting percentages in that arena.
 

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