Michigan's New Nike Contract

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BigOrange15 said:
Tennessee is definitely not more recognized as a brand worldwide. It's not even as recognized in the US. Plenty of people see that T or hear UT and assume Texas.
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There is no doubt that is true. My last trip to Vegas I was wearing a power T hat (not the skinny burnt orange kind) in the Mandalay Bay sportsbook and had a guy walk past me and give me that "Hook em Horns" crap. Even some of our fans can't tell the difference. I also think it's true that we haven't marketed ourselves very well outside of the southeast. Too many college football fans have no idea who Robert Neyland is and too many fans (even some of our own) don't realize that Tennessee is also in the top ten all time for victories and top five for bowl game appearances.
 
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agent|orange said:
Wow, we really are the new Alabama.

"We might be unsuccessful and most irrelevant but I remember back almost 15 years ago when we did something relevant!"
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I'm not sure how to tell you this, so I'm just going to tell you. You may want to have a seat.

Alabama won the SEC football championship last season.
 
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Daloth said:
100 wins more than us, with 45 more games played. Both inarguable top ten all time programs, each with a legendary and game defining coach (and I'd argue Neyland is top 3 all time no matter who you root for), but our #2 coach is probably leagues ahead of their #2 as well. I'd honestly take our top 3 coaches and best players at each position over their top 3 coaches and best players at each position all time honestly as well.

They're ahead of us in wins, but when you consider the amount of wins wracked up in the late 1800's/early 1900's and that we also didn't have a team for what, 3/4 years during wars? it's not that far of a gap honestly. I'd also easily argue the TN brand is more recognizable worldwide than their brand.

But nobody comes close to Notre Dame. They have a religion and have had an entire network behind them. You don't beat that.
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Who are you considering their #1 and #2? Schembechler and Carr? If so, then Carr is more than on par with Fulmer. Carr has a slightly better winning percentage, same number of NC's and more conference titles.

Their 3 winningest coaches all have more wins than our equivalent counterpart. You might want to use less emotion and more rationale in your assessments going forward.
 
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jpope9 said:
to be fair, neither has Michigan.
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Pretty sure they've at least won the Big 10 since UT won the SEC.

Michigan is only the winningest team in college football. Why can't many of you understand that when you had no problem telling us why Nike gave UT such a "great" deal based on our history.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Who are you considering their #1 and #2? Schembechler and Carr? If so, then Carr is more than on par with Fulmer. Carr has a slightly better winning percentage, same number of NC's and more conference titles.

Their 3 winningest coaches all have more wins than our equivalent counterpart. You might want to use less emotion and more rationale in your assessments going forward.
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Huh? He sure as hell wasn't "more than on par with Fulmer" on January 1st, 2002 in Orlando, Florida which is the only time that a head to head comparison actually mattered... and conference titles are not exactly a fair contrast to use when one coach is in the SEC and the other is in the Big Ten. That's not apples to oranges, it's apples to fried chicken.
 
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I could be wrong but I think TN negotiations were taking place with Nike at the end of Butch's first year.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Huh? He sure as hell wasn't "more than on par with Fulmer" on January 1st, 2002 in Orlando, Florida which is the only time that a head to head comparison actually mattered... and conference titles are not exactly a fair contrast to use when one coach is in the SEC and the other is in the Big Ten. That's not apples to oranges, it's apples to fried chicken.
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Conference titles aren't fair but one bowl game is?
 
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Boca Vol said:
Pretty sure they've at least won the Big 10 since UT won the SEC.

Michigan is only the winningest team in college football. Why can't many of you understand that when you had no problem telling us why Nike gave UT such a "great" deal based on our history.
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You're right, they won it way back in 2004 and even then they had to share it with Iowa.
 
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Since some of you guys are clearly lacking some oxygen supply to the brain or haven't been college fans for long:

Everyone made fun of Alabama in the late 90s and early 2000s when UT and Auburn were good and they weren't. They would cling onto their history and long time gone games to one-up someone. Talk about winning a NC 2 years prior? They'll talk about their 12 from 3 decades ago. Have a good coach? You'll hear all about Bear Bryant.

Bringing up a bowl game from 13 years ago is just pathetic and really does nothing but show how down-trodden and beaten down this fanbase is. We are the circa 2004 Alabama fans.

Sorry if I don't get a lot of pride over Tennessee beating the bejeezus out of Michigan when it should have been playing in the NCG in the 2001 season.
 
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agent|orange said:
Since some of you guys are clearly lacking some oxygen supply to the brain or haven't been college fans for long:

Everyone made fun of Alabama in the late 90s and early 2000s when UT and Auburn were good and they weren't. They would cling onto their history and long time gone games to one-up someone. Talk about winning a NC 2 years prior? They'll talk about their 12 from 3 decades ago. Have a good coach? You'll hear all about Bear Bryant.

Bringing up a bowl game from 13 years ago is just pathetic and really does nothing but show how down-trodden and beaten down this fanbase is. We are the circa 2004 Alabama fans.

Sorry if I don't get a lot of pride over Tennessee beating the bejeezus out of Michigan when it should have been playing in the NCG in the 2001 season.
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Or maybe your example was just about 10 years outdated. Since you had to clarify that we're "Alabama circa 2004", I'd say that's pretty much the case.

The rest of your sentiment I agree with. I really don't care if we beat Michigan in a bowl game 15 years ago that meant little, nor do I beat my chest over beating OSU 20 years ago in the same bowl game.
 
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Too lazy to look it up, but I think I saw a list a couple of years ago that said Michigan sold the most merchandise of any school.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Huh? He sure as hell wasn't "more than on par with Fulmer" on January 1st, 2002 in Orlando, Florida which is the only time that a head to head comparison actually mattered... and conference titles are not exactly a fair contrast to use when one coach is in the SEC and the other is in the Big Ten. That's not apples to oranges, it's apples to fried chicken.
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You realize the SEC wasn't what it is now, back when both coaches started? In the 90's and early 2000's the competitiveness of the SEC was a fraction of what it is today.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Conference titles aren't fair but one bowl game is?
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Neither is completely fair but I would consider a head to head match-up more telling than conference titles when you're talking about the Big Ten. The fact is Michigan has a long history of winning that conference and then getting their a$$ reamed in the Rose Bowl (or some other bowl game). Bo Schembechler was 2-8 in the Rose Bowl and 5-12 overall in bowl games. For some reason, some of you are going to great lengths to make a case that Michigan is a much better program than Tennessee and the facts do not support that at all (outside of overall victories which has been explained and is pretty hollow). No program has historically benefited more from playing in a weak conference than the Wolverines.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
You realize the SEC wasn't what it is now, back when both coaches started? In the 90's and early 2000's the competitiveness of the SEC was a fraction of what it is today.
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Still better than the Big Ten... Check the record on head to head match-ups between the SEC and Big Ten in our bowl games in the 90's. Very lopsided in the SEC's favor especially the Florida bowl games.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Neither is completely fair but I would consider a head to head match-up more telling than conference titles when you're talking about the Big Ten. The fact is Michigan has a long history of winning that conference and then getting their a$$ reamed in the Rose Bowl (or some other bowl game). Bo Schembechler was 2-8 in the Rose Bowl and 5-12 overall in bowl games. For some reason, some of you are going to great lengths to make a case that Michigan is a much better program than Tennessee and the facts do not support that at all (outside of overall victories which has been explained and is pretty hollow). No program has historically benefited more from playing in a weak conference than the Wolverines.
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The SEC was far weaker in Fulmer's day than now.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Still better than the Big Ten... Check the record on head to head match-ups between the SEC and Big Ten in our bowl games in the 90's. Very lopsided in the SEC's favor especially the Florida bowl games.
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I know the SEC-B1G history, that's not evidence enough to say that our #2 coach is light years ahead of Michigan's, as you did. I'd rather have someone pick apart my stats and facts than make a blanket statement with nothing to back it up. And the "Big 10 sucks" mantra doesn't qualify.
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Tennessee is definitely not more recognized as a brand worldwide. It's not even as recognized in the US. Plenty of people see that T or hear UT and assume Texas.
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Several posts like this, but you're was first so I'll just respond to one. In America? Texas probably. Worldwide? Tennessee is more. I'm not talking merchandise sold. I'm talking you show the mascots, logos, colors, and more people will know who Tennessee is than Texas.

But that would require all of us in the conversation to have traveled the world or to study or know a large number of people in different countries, and I know not everyone in this discussion has that, so its not a point worth discussing.

bowlinggreenvol said:
Who are you considering their #1 and #2? Schembechler and Carr? If so, then Carr is more than on par with Fulmer. Carr has a slightly better winning percentage, same number of NC's and more conference titles.

Their 3 winningest coaches all have more wins than our equivalent counterpart. You might want to use less emotion and more rationale in your assessments going forward.
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Schembeckler and Carr < Neyland and Fulmer

Carr has a better win percentage than Fulmer, but Fulmer has 30 more wins and only 10 more losses.

But hey, if you want any coach over Neyland, have at it. I'll take him against any coach with both sides have equal talent.

But, seeing as you didn't even mention half of my argument (that an all time TN team, led by guys like Manning, White, Henderson, etc. would beat most any all time greats team at any other school) I'll presume that you don't seem to use rationale in debating, as ignoring any point of a discussion is a sign of not having a way to beat that point.

However, I'll let you guys keep fretting fretting over why Nike overpayed a top 10 all time school with one of the hottest (or the hottest) head coaching hire in years.
 
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Daloth said:
Several posts like this, but you're was first so I'll just respond to one. In America? Texas probably. Worldwide? Tennessee is more. I'm not talking merchandise sold. I'm talking you show the mascots, logos, colors, and more people will know who Tennessee is than Texas.

But that would require all of us in the conversation to have traveled the world or to study or know a large number of people in different countries, and I know not everyone in this discussion has that, so its not a point worth discussing.


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Then why assert your incorrect statement? Most people outside of Knoxville or the SEC think Texas when they see our logo.
 
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Daloth said:
But, seeing as you didn't even mention half of my argument (that an all time TN team, led by guys like Manning, White, Henderson, etc. would beat most any all time greats team at any other school) I'll presume that you don't seem to use rationale in debating, as ignoring any point of a discussion is a sign of not having a way to beat that point.
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And really? any other school? Texas, Michigan, Notre Dame, USC, Alabama?
 
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