Mike Leach calls em like he sees em

[DC Vol]

That Falcons OL was always able to pave the way for Warrick Dunn and TJ Duckett to have one of the best rushing offenses in the league year after year. However, Vick was still usually the most sacked QB in the league.

Even the best line would have a hard time blocking for Vick. He was so mobile that for them to predict where the pocket would be would be impossible.

 

[JZVOL]

Al Davis tends to agree with this sentiment. I mean, I understand what you're trying to get at and all. And it's not even the fans that the Browns would have got ganged up on by. It would have been the blowhards, who claim to know everything, like a Mel Kiper, or a Mike Mayock, that would have been the most vocal about it.

How did it work out for the Texans when they chose Williams over Young and Bush?

Fact is the Browns didn't have to take anyone. Couch had a weak arm and Smith was a moron.

 

[TXA&M07]

Mike the Pirate is always good for a sound byte.

 

[KingNick865]

How did it work out for the Texans when they chose Williams over Young and Bush?

Fact is the Browns didn't have to take anyone. Couch had a weak arm and Smith was a moron.

QB's are a different breed than most players. A good DE on a bad team isn't as adversely affected as a QB on a bad team.

 

[KingNick865]

Think about that for a second.

6'3", 230 pounds. Strong armed kid, with alright accuracy.

What's there to think about? He would've been a decent QB, had he gone to someone later in the 1st round.

 

[droski]

He has to know this will hurt recruiting. Leach is covering his arse.

 

[droski]

He was just another Jeff Tedford QB that looked great in college but couldn't hack it in the pros. Aaron Rodgers is the first one that shows any promise of being able to cut it.

kyle boller never should have been drafted in the first place. he wasn't even good in college. why blame jeff tedford if the ravens draft a guy too high that every cal fan knew would never be a good nfl starter? if hayward bey is a bust are people going to blame ralph friedgen?

 

[KingNick865]

if hayward bey is a bust are people going to blame ralph friedgen?

Not at all............

 

[JZVOL]

QB's are a different breed than most players. A good DE on a bad team isn't as adversely affected as a QB on a bad team.

Which is why the Browns weren't forced to take Couch or Smith. They could have traded down for more picks etc.

 

[KingNick865]

Which is why the Browns weren't forced to take Couch or Smith. They could have traded down for more picks etc.

Hindsight is 20/20. If the Browns know now what they did in 1999, they most certainly would have. But they didn't know that Couch was going to be a bust, and so was Akili Smith.

 

[DC Vol]

QB's are a different breed than most players. A good DE on a bad team isn't as adversely affected as a QB on a bad team.

While that's true, being physically gifted is in no way any indication of success in the NFL.

Carr might have had it on his arm, but lacked it between the ears. He's a headcase. The # of sacks he's taken are just as attributable to him as his line. He can't blame his line for his Comp. %. He can't blame his line for the number of INTs he's thrown.

If he's under pressure... guess what... so are almost every other QB (most weren't a #1 overall Draft Pick).
Simply put, quite a few very successful QBs don't have the best arm but they've got poise and game smarts. You can make it in the NFL with a sub-par arm, but can thrive with poise and intelligence. You can't succeed with those variables flipped.

 

[KingNick865]

1) While that's true, being physically gifted is in no way any indication of success in the NFL.

2) Carr might have had it on his arm, but lacked it between the ears. He's a headcase. The # of sacks he's taken are just as attributable to him as his line. He can't blame his line for his Comp. %. He can't blame his line for the number of INTs he's thrown.

3) If he's under pressure... guess what... so are almost every other QB (most weren't a #1 overall Draft Pick).
Simply put, quite a few very successful QBs don't have the best arm but they've got poise and game smarts. You can make it in the NFL with a sub-par arm, but can thrive with poise and intelligence. You can't succeed with those variables flipped.

1) Agree with that.

2) Actually, INT numbers and completion % can somewhat be attributable to a bad offensive line. By having to rush the throw, you have a greater chance of throwing it to a spot where you don't want to throw it.

3) Except that the guys in the latter slots in the 1st round are usually sitting behind veteran QB's, or have a great team and tools to work with.

And if I remember right, Couch had the better intelligence out of the two top prospects at the time.

 

[JZVOL]

Hindsight is 20/20. If the Browns know now what they did in 1999, they most certainly would have. But they didn't know that Couch was going to be a bust, and so was Akili Smith.

Look at expansion teams drafting a qb and see the level of success. It's not great and the Browns surely knew that.

 

[KingNick865]

Look at expansion teams drafting a qb and see the level of success. It's not great and the Browns surely knew that.

They still thought that they had the guy. People in Cleveland hyped him up to be something special.

 

[Pepe_Silvia]

Funny that Leach didn't go into what wonderful pro careers his previous quarterbacks have had. He's a clown of the highest order.

Exactly. I still can't believe some people wanted him to be the head coach for Tennessee.

 

[JZVOL]

They still thought that they had the guy. People in Cleveland hyped him up to be something special.

not sure what that has to do with anything really? Every first pick or qb especially is hyped up by the fan base until they start playing.

 

[KingNick865]

not sure what that has to do with anything really? Every first pick or qb especially is hyped up by the fan base until they start playing.

Perhaps I was understating it a bit.

Cleveland had this kid pegged as the next legendary QB.

 

[NashVol11]

6'3", 230 pounds. Strong armed kid, with alright accuracy.

What's there to think about? He would've been a decent QB, had he gone to someone later in the 1st round.

Well, there is the fact that PHYSICAL TOOLS DO NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS, for one.

 

[KingNick865]

Well, there is the fact that PHYSICAL TOOLS DO NOT GUARANTEE SUCCESS, for one.

Did I say they ever did?

 

[NashVol11]

They still thought that they had the guy. People in Cleveland hyped him up to be something special.

...don't matter.

 

[NashVol11]

Did I say they ever did?

You are acting like he would be good on a good team just because he had the physical tools. For a QB in the NFL, the mental ones matter at least as much.

 

[KingNick865]

You are acting like he would be good on a good team just because he had the physical tools. For a QB in the NFL, the mental ones matter at least as much.

I said that Carr, given a good team and a good offensive line, would have made a decent NFL QB. Nothing really more, or nothing really less.

 

[kptvol]

6'3", 230 pounds. Strong armed kid, with alright accuracy.

What's there to think about? He would've been a decent QB, had he gone to someone later in the 1st round.

Sounds like about 200,000 other QBs that have failed miserably in the NFL.

 

[kptvol]

QB's are a different breed than most players. A good DE on a bad team isn't as adversely affected as a QB on a bad team.

If you have one good DL, it's not that tough for an OC to neutralize him.

 

[kptvol]

kyle boller never should have been drafted in the first place. he wasn't even good in college. why blame jeff tedford if the ravens draft a guy too high that every cal fan knew would never be a good nfl starter? if hayward bey is a bust are people going to blame ralph friedgen?

I'm not blaming him. Good for him that he can make mediocre QBs play well. I'd still be careful if I were thinking about drafting one of his passers.