Military Active Duty, "Serving Our Country," Parenting Active Duty, "Opting Out"?

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GAVol said:
So what should people do? Eschew military service until we go 10 years without an armed conflict and have a pacifist in office?
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People that disagree with our foreign policy should. People that don't should proceed to sign their enlistment papers.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not insulted.

Anyway, back to the topic of the article. Thereis nothing in said article that I find offensive or incorrect. Prospective employers should not punish troops for having spent time away from the industry; in the same vein, they should not punish parents who took time away from work to raise their children.
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You are missing the point of that article. It has nothing to do with "parents" being punished for taking time off to raise children. Really... when was the last time you have even heard of an employer punishing someone for that anyways? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is not something that goes on all the time.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You are missing the point of that article. It has nothing to do with "parents" being punished for taking time off to raise children. Really... when was the last time you have even heard of an employer punishing someone for that anyways? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it is not something that goes on all the time.
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The following is what I interpreted to be the point of the article; the only parts that are even actionable:
If you are in a position to assess, hire and promote job candidates, you can be a powerful catalyst for change. The next time you interview a woman who ramped down or took a few years off to take the lead on the homefront, probe a little deeper into her experience. You might discover that the parental firing line can be more effective than business school for fine-tuning management skills.

If you are a young woman hoping to combine family life and a fulfilling career, be very careful who you marry. Make sure you have multiple, in-depth discussions with your future life partner about how the critically important work of parenting and creating a home will be distributed. And make sure you hold your partner to those promises after the honeymoon.
And if you are one of the millions of women who fear they may never be able to power back up to previous professional levels once they've eased off the fast track, I have two pieces of advice.

First: Immediately eliminate this crippling phrase from your vocabulary: "I'm just a stay-at-home Mom." There is no "just" about it. It's time we take credit -- and give other women credit -- for the skills required to run a well-functioning family.

Second: Don't buy into the other guy's game of dismissing your years in the "human-development industry" as irrelevant to managing and leading men and women in the workplace. When you start dusting off your resume, reframe your parenting years in terms of skills developed rather than lost ground.
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If you want to find offense and insult with the rest of the article, have at it.
 
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nbakerld said:
Really? If you think the US is wasting money, lives, and resources on wars you don't agree with, how in good conscience can you think you are doing good for your country?

I respect and admire ALL troops on the basis that they have put themselves on the line to protect us if the occasion arises. The occasion doesn't arise frequently. Wars do arise frequently, though.
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You phrased my point better than I did.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Read this and think about the context that she is talking about in this article. Read it 2 or 3 times and then ask yourself what is the purpose of this article.
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You have lost me.

I thought the article was meant to encourage parents to think of their kids before their careers and for employers to consider the sacrifices that the parents have made and not hold it against them.

What is it 'that she is talking about in this article'? or 'what is the purpose of this article' to you?
 
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RespectTradition said:
You have lost me.

I thought the article was meant to encourage parents to think of their kids before their careers and for employers to consider the sacrifices that the parents have made and not hold it against them.

What is it 'that she is talking about in this article'? or 'what is the purpose of this article' to you?
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If her intent was to promote the importance of a woman raising a family, she shot down her own argument with the "unpaid" comment in that portion I highlighted. Are you telling me that women that stay at home are uncompensated when they raise a family and take care of a home? No room and board? No roof over their heads? No satisfaction in knowing that she is serving an important role in society? Or does it all boil down to being paid and getting bit more consideration in the hiring process, even though there are very few instances of at-home mothers being disqualified for jobs that meet their skill sets as mothers and wives. Again, I'm not saying it doesn't exist or didn't exist in the past, but what kind of jobs are mothers being denied access to after taking care of their families? She never goes into specifics about what jobs she is talking about. She just throws out a blanket statement that they need more consideration. OK... I can agree with that. Just spell out what career paths she is talking about.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
If her intent was to promote the importance of a woman raising a family, she shot down her own argument with the "unpaid" comment in that portion I highlighted. Are you telling me that women that stay at home are uncompensated when they raise a family and take care of a home? No room and board? No roof over their heads? No satisfaction in knowing that she is serving an important role in society?
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Same argument can be made for slavery; and, before you spout off and say that bringing up slavery is out of context, it is not. These women, post WWII were forced out of the workplace and back into the home. But, just like slaves, they were compensated with room and board, a roof over their heads, and the satisfaction of knowing they were serving an important role in society.
 
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therealUT said:
The following is what I interpreted to be the point of the article; the only parts that are even actionable:

If you are a young woman hoping to combine family life and a fulfilling career, be very careful who you marry. Make sure you have multiple, in-depth discussions with your future life partner about how the critically important work of parenting and creating a home will be distributed. And make sure you hold your partner to those promises after the honeymoon.
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If you want to find offense and insult with the rest of the article, have at it.
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In the overwhelming majority of cases today, you do not have women in today's society looking to play the traditional role. If anything, it is men that are being made to adjust their roles and women today are deciding to get away from the home and enter the workforce. This conversation that she is talking about is rarely initiated by the woman, but in most cases is initiated by the man... because it fits the more traditional role that most men are accustomed to. Today, there are too many women that choose work over family and you see the results of what is happening with society right now.

You will not get any argument from most men about the importance a wife has and the role she plays in raising a family. The hard part today is convincing women of the importance of that role.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
In the overwhelming majority of cases today, you do not have women in today's society looking to play the traditional role. If anything, it is men that are being made to adjust their roles and women today are deciding to get away from the home and enter the workforce. This conversation that she is talking about is rarely initiated by the woman, but in most cases is initiated by the man... because it fits the more traditional role that most men are accustomed to. Today, there are too many women that choose work over family and you see the results of what is happening with society right now.

You will not get any argument from most men about the importance a wife has and the role she plays in raising a family. The hard part today is convincing women of the importance of that role.
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Is it not just as important of a role for men? Why is it that we must pay some respect to tradition and have the woman in the home raising children as opposed to men?
 
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therealUT said:
Same argument can be made for slavery; and, before you spout off and say that bringing up slavery is out of context, it is not. These women, post WWII were forced out of the workplace and back into the home. But, just like slaves, they were compensated with room and board, a roof over their heads, and the satisfaction of knowing they were serving an important role in society.
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Post-WWII conditions for women were tantamount to African slavery? Really? :blink:
 
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therealUT said:
Is it not just as important of a role for men?
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Yes, but you are side tracking. I'm not arguing that there are roles that men and women play. The problem you have today is that women today do not overwhelmingly embrace the role that this woman that wrote the story is creating. The overwhelming majority of women are choosing work over staying at home. The hard part is not convincing men what their role is or the importance of their role in society. The hard part is convincing the women. It is a new world out here, and you are not going to have a lot of women out here that are experiencing the alleged inequalities that this author is noting here because most woman are not stay at home moms.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Post-WWII conditions for women were tantamount to African slavery? Really? :blink:
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The things you listed, in which the women were "paid" after being forced out of the workplace and into the home are absolutely analogous.

If you have an argument, make one. If not, stick with stating "really" followed by a blinking smiley face.
 
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therealUT said:
The things you listed, in which the women were "paid" after being forced out of the workplace and into the home are absolutely analogous.

If you have an argument, make one. If not, stick with stating "really" followed by a blinking smiley face.
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The argument would be living conditions
 
#46
#46
Rasputin_Vol said:
Yes, but you are side tracking. I'm not arguing that there are roles that men and women play. The problem you have today is that women today do not overwhelmingly embrace the role that this woman that wrote the story is creating. The overwhelming majority of women are choosing work over staying at home. The hard part is not convincing men what their role is or the importance of their role in society. The hard part is convincing the women. It is a new world out here, and you are not going to have a lot of women out here that are experiencing the alleged inequalities that this author is noting here because most woman are not stay at home moms.
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You missed my point. Men can embrace the role to be an at home parent just as much as women can. Men are choosing their professions over staying at home, as well. Why is it wrong for a woman to want to work instead of raising the child but it is okay for a man to want to work instead of raising the child?
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
The argument would be living conditions
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He said they were paid with room and board, a roof over their heads, and the satisfaction of fulfilling their societal role (or some BS to that extent).

Same can be said with regard to slavery.
 
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therealUT said:
You missed my point. Men can embrace the role to be an at home parent just as much as women can. Men are choosing their professions over staying at home, as well. Why is it wrong for a woman to want to work instead of raising the child but it is okay for a man to want to work instead of raising the child?
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We'll get to men staying at home in another discussion. I want you to address the women staying at home issue without side tracking.

If you want, you can create another thread specifically regarding men being at home.
 
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