Military Active Duty, "Serving Our Country," Parenting Active Duty, "Opting Out"?

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Rasputin_Vol said:
We'll get to men staying at home in another discussion. I want you to address the women staying at home issue without side tracking.

If you want, you can create another thread specifically regarding men being at home.
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I will address whatever I damn well please. You are under the impression that the traditional role of the woman is as homemaker and that she should embrace that role and stop sacrificing that role in order to have a career (you have said as much here and in three other threads re: feminism).

Men choose career over homemaking more than women do and they do not receive any scorn from the likes of you. You are a sexist and that is why the article you cited, which is completely reasonable, has pissed you off.

As for your assumption that the majority of women do not embrace the backwards traditional role that you long for ("the problem with society today is that women don't stay in the home"-- BS), it might be because they are worried that if they do then they will lose out on their careers because sexists like you still exist in the workplace. That is what this woman is arguing about; the opportunity for a woman to take a year or two off and enter the workforce at or around the level she left it.
 
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therealUT said:
I will address whatever I damn well please. You are under the impression that the traditional role of the woman is as homemaker and that she should embrace that role and stop sacrificing that role in order to have a career (you have said as much here and in three other threads re: feminism).

Men choose career over homemaking more than women do and they do not receive any scorn from the likes of you. You are a sexist and that is why the article you cited, which is completely reasonable, has pissed you off.
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I agree with 100% of this post.

If believing that there are certain roles that men have and roles that women have makes me a sexist, I can live with that. It shouldn't be a pejorative though.

Thank you for understanding where I am coming from.
 
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nbakerld said:
That too. Can you imagine a private security force getting away with assassinating an American citizen? Or a Kill Team? Private entities = more accountability as backward as that sounds.
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You're naive. I can not only imagine it, I can show you YouTube videos of it.
 
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I love absolutes!

If I, as a service member or any service member, decided not to fight after joining because we disagreed with the meaning behind it, the way it was being conducted or any other personal opinion then no one would ever defend this country for any cause.

Love to hear your view on Hiroshima, but I guess I already know the answer.
 
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MontereyVol said:
If I, as a service member or any service member, decided not to fight after joining because we disagreed with the meaning behind it, the way it was being conducted or any other personal opinion then no one would ever defend this country for any cause.
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I think you are confusing offensive, expeditionary wars for "noble" causes with some notion of national defense.
 
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MontereyVol said:
You are correct! not confused, I should have worded it as 'serve'.
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I am not sure exactly who or what is being served by OIF and OEF. Beyond my own financial security, I would have a hard time saying that my time in Iraq served US Citizens, Iraqis, the overall well-being of the US, etc.
 
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therealUT said:
I am not sure exactly who or what is being served by OIF and OEF. Beyond my own financial security, I would have a hard time saying that my time in Iraq served US Citizens, Iraqis, the overall well-being of the US, etc.
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True and I will bet you questioned it before going, while there and now back home. Yet you still went... for what reason.
 
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MontereyVol said:
True and I will bet you questioned it before going, while there and now back home. Yet you still went... for what reason.
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I did not question the first time; I really started to question halfway through the 09-10 tour.

I would imagine that those who do question still go, though, do to a mix of the fear of punitive measures and peer pressure.
 
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therealUT said:
I did not question the first time; I really started to question halfway through the 09-10 tour.

I would imagine that those who do question still go, though, do to a mix of the fear of punitive measures and peer pressure.
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You go to protect the integrity.

Those in power may abuse us, but we leave no doubt we will always be there for those who need us.
 
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therealUT said:
The integrity of what?



I have little doubt that if America was attacked there would be plenty of willing individuals knocking down the doors of recruiting stations.
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How well trained will these Americans be to fight a war UT? My guess would be little to none.
 
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7thgroupvolfan said:
How well trained will these Americans be to fight a war UT? My guess would be little to none.
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I agree and that is where the puzzle is.

If the government does not have a decent sized standing Army, then you deal with the possibility of not being able to repel an attack.

If the government does have a decent sized standing Army, the government is more likely to send them to all ends of the earth without much serious and engaged deliberation before making the decisions.
 
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