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#26
#26
bamacheats said:
Really? Because the common fan knew during halftime that Miller should start the 2nd half and Kenny Hall should be in street clothes, but our coach didn't know this and, oops!, I made a mistake?

Black Buzz is in over his head.
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Just because he was hot doesn't mean he has to start. You always go with your starters but yes you should have worked him in the rotation more and let him see what he could do. And if Kenny was on the bench and Miller was stinking it up what would you do then? Put them all in street clothes?
 
#27
#27
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Just because he was hot doesn't mean he has to start. You always go with your starters but yes you should have worked him in the rotation more and let him see what he could do. And if Kenny was on the bench and Miller was stinking it up what would you do then? Put them all in street clothes?
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You don't always go with your starters, and you go with lineups that are hot until they aren't hot anymore.
 
#29
#29
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Just because he was hot doesn't mean he has to start. You always go with your starters but yes you should have worked him in the rotation more and let him see what he could do. And if Kenny was on the bench and Miller was stinking it up what would you do then? Put them all in street clothes?
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:crazy:

Clueless about the game.
 
#30
#30
Geez... A big part of me doesn't even want to reply to most of this nonsense... Miller played lights out the first half and should've played more the second half. CCM will watch the film and will make a mental note. There are a lot of things that go on in the locker room and on the bench we don't see on TV or from the stands. Maybe D-Mill did something that upset CCM? IDK, but I do know one thing. Expecting softball to ask relevant questions is expecting too much.
 
#31
#31
DaDuRkEr said:
Geez... A big part of me doesn't even want to reply to most of this nonsense... Miller played lights out the first half and should've played more the second half. CCM will watch the film and will make a mental note. There are a lot of things that go on in the locker room and on the bench we don't see on TV or from the stands. Maybe D-Mill did something that upset CCM? IDK, but I do know one thing. Expecting softball to ask relevant questions is expecting too much.
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What nonsense?
 
#32
#32
DaDuRkEr said:
Geez... A big part of me doesn't even want to reply to most of this nonsense...Miller played lights out the first half and should've played more the second half. CCM will watch the film and will make a mental note. There are a lot of things that go on in the locker room and on the bench we don't see on TV or from the stands. Maybe D-Mill did something that upset CCM? IDK, but I do know one thing. Expecting softball to ask relevant questions is expecting too much.
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A quality coach doesn't need to watch film to realize he needs to stick with the hot hand. Especially when it means playing a mental midget like Kenny Hall instead. Stay outta the basketball forum if you're that ignorant.
 
#33
#33
pl3 said:
You don't always go with your starters, and you go with lineups that are hot until they aren't hot anymore.
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During a half I agree however I don't recall many coaches starting one player at halftime just because a bench player got hot.
 
#36
#36
bamacheats said:
Quality retort. Was "I know you are, but what am I?" too hard to type?
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Oh I am sorry, I should raise my leve of posting to your "cluless" reply. I will do better next time. :hi:

This simple fact of the conversation is your bench players are supposed to provide a spark like Miller did. That doesn;t mean that automaticlly start that means they are doing there job. Now carry on with your childish rubbish if you wish.
 
#37
#37
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
During a half I agree however I don't recall many coaches starting one player at halftime just because a bench player got hot.
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I would guess that a player nearly doubling his career high in one half is pretty rare. Unless said player had a career high of 2 points. Given that the starter, Kenny Hall in this case, has demonstrated no case for himself to be starting in the first place. As to whether it has happened before, I'm sure it has. In either case, it should have happened against CoC.
 
#38
#38
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Oh I am sorry, I should raise my leve of posting to your "cluless" reply. I will do better next time. :hi:

This simple fact of the conversation is your bench players are supposed to provide a spark like Miller did. That doesn;t mean that automaticlly start that means they are doing there job. Now carry on with your childish rubbish if you wish.
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I've played on teams and been on staffs that benched players and changed lineups 100's of times. I don't know where you are getting your info.
The only reason CM hasn't is because he doesn't want hall and cam to go in the tank.
 
#39
#39
cncchris33 said:
I would guess that a player nearly doubling his career high in one half is pretty rare. Unless said player had a career high of 2 points. Given that the starter, Kenny Hall in this case, has demonstrated no case for himself to be starting in the first place. As to whether it has happened before, I'm sure it has. In either case, it should have happened against CoC.
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Ok well let me ask this question to maybe get my point across. Whould you rather start Miller the second half and sub him after a couple minutes and get nothing off the bench from Kenny or Bring in Miller off the bench and add the extra offensive help we needed? My point is I agree completely Miller should have played ALOT more the second half and CCM messed up there BUT I would not say he messed up because he didn't start Miller.

And as for Kenny Hall I agree he is doing nothing and I will dare say over the next few games if Miller continues to take advantage of his opportunities then we will see him in the starting lineup soon.
 
#40
#40
pl3 said:
I've played on teams and been on staffs that benched players and changed lineups 100's of times. I don't know where you are getting your info.
The only reason CM hasn't is because he doesn't want hall and cam to go in the tank.
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And those teams you played on didn't you have guys on the bench because the coach knew they could come in and help relieve the starters and still give some offense?

Good point on Cam and Hall hadn't thought about that part.
 
#41
#41
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
My point is I agree completely Miller should have played ALOT more the second half and CCM messed up there BUT I would not say he messed up because he didn't start Miller.
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Without reviewing this entire thread again, and at the risk of being wrong for not doing so, I don't think anyone has asserted that CCM cost his team a chance to win simply because he didn't start Miller in the 2nd. I do think several are saying, myself included, that he hurt his teams' chances by refusing to play Miller more and Hall less, and you seem to agree with that.

My reasoning for benching Hall to start the 2nd half would have been to send him a message. One that states, "when you decide you want to play hard every trip and on both ends, we will revisit this issue. I have a guy with half your talent, but 10x your desire and drive, and he is, and has been playing with more purpose and passion".

This message would have been especially important to send to a team looking for leadership that they can't seem to find on the court. If no one wants to lead or is incapable of leading on the court, then it is the coach's job to provide it.
 
#42
#42
e-VOL-ution2013 said:
And those teams you played on didn't you have guys on the bench because the coach knew they could come in and help relieve the starters and still give some offense?

Good point on Cam and Hall hadn't thought about that part.
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On those teams, if any player averaging 3pts and a rebound blew up for 13 and 7 in the first half, he earned a 2nd half start.
Everytime.
It may not last, but you have to see. Sitting for 45 minutes and expecting continued momentum is a no go.
 
#43
#43
cncchris33 said:
Without reviewing this entire thread again, and at the risk of being wrong for not doing so, I don't think anyone has asserted that CCM cost his team a chance to win simply because he didn't start Miller in the 2nd. I do think several are saying, myself included, that he hurt his teams' chances by refusing to play Miller more and Hall less, and you seem to agree with that.

My reasoning for benching Hall to start the 2nd half would have been to send him a message. One that states, "when you decide you want to play hard every trip and on both ends, we will revisit this issue. I have a guy with half your talent, but 10x your desire and drive, and he is, and has been playing with more purpose and passion".

This message would have been especially important to send to a team looking for leadership that they can't seem to find on the court. If no one wants to lead or is incapable of leading on the court, then it is the coach's job to provide it.
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Not rewarding pt to performers and allowing pt for players playing half ass will lead to job searching.
 
#44
#44
pl3 said:
Not rewarding pt to performers and allowing pt for players playing half ass will lead to job searching.
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Agree. It also leads to losing the rest of your team. Seeing a guy give 50% effort with no consequence is poisonous to players giving 100% with no reward.
 
#45
#45
pl3 said:
On those teams, if any player averaging 3pts and a rebound blew up for 13 and 7 in the first half, he earned a 2nd half start.
Everytime.
It may not last, but you have to see. Sitting for 45 minutes and expecting continued momentum is a no go.
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I will go with that.:hi:
 
#47
#47
Honestly, I was shocked that Hall started game 1. He was terrible last year and with the addition of Miller, Yemi and a new coach I figured he would either revert back to Freshman form or come off the bench. Maybe he's just a h3ll of a practice player and Martin is waiting for that to show up in games.
 
#48
#48
zansdad said:
Honestly, I was shocked that Hall started game 1. He was terrible last year and with the addition of Miller, Yemi and a new coach I figured he would either revert back to Freshman form or come off the bench. Maybe he's just a h3ll of a practice player and Martin is waiting for that to show up in games.
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I think it had more to do with him being the only post player with meaningful playing experience.
 
#49
#49
I wanted to give Kenny time to prove himself, but I'm now 100% on board with starting Miller. I will be disappointed if Hall gets more than 15 mins next game.
 
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