Millions of Illegal Aliens From All Over The World Head For U.S. Border

[lawgator1]

Inside the US I agree , but at the border to repell invaders they would have to be able to be used . (I’m not talking about immigrants just used invaders as example . )

"Invaders"?

Really?

 

[hog88]

Inside the US I agree , but at the border to repell invaders they would have to be able to be used . (I’m not talking about immigrants just used invaders as example . )

Repelling an armed invasion wouldn’t be a law enforcement function IMO.

 

[tumscalcium]

"Invaders"?

Really?

It’s what they are. They’ve already invaded Guatemala and Mexico.

 

[0nelilreb]

"Invaders"?

Really?

That why I said I wasn’t talking about immigrants . The fact is I don’t know what he can do if he declares the borders closed and nobody is allowed in . I was just talking a what if scene . I would assume that closed borders means the milliatary could enforce that but again I have no clue .. it’s all about the words and how they are used I think .

 

[0nelilreb]

Just asking because I just don’t know , if he closed the borders does it change his ability to protect the country using the millatary ?

 

[theFallGuy]

And yet still far superior to Fox. The fact that Fox has the best ratings encapsulates this period forever to be known as the Trump Catastrophe.

I'm not concerned with Fox or defending them. And I don't care to get into a "my dad will beat up your dad argument". I just want to see if you continue to throw your support behind MSNBC and CNN and you proved my point Luther. All anyone has to do is read the dooshbag stuff that Steve Schmidt has said on MSNBC.

 

[luthervol]

I'm not concerned with Fox or defending them. And I don't care to get into a "my dad will beat up your dad argument". I just want to see if you continue to throw your support behind MSNBC and CNN and you proved my point Luther. All anyone has to do is read the dooshbag stuff that Steve Schmidt has said on MSNBC.

I don't think I've watched 15 minutes of MSNBC in my life. Fox is the worst. The others are varying degrees of bad to good, but Fox is the worst.

 

[tumscalcium]

I don't think I've watched 15 minutes of MSNBC in my life. Fox is the worst. The others are varying degrees of bad to good, but Fox is the worst.

 

[Grand Vol]

That is not what my neighbor just said... not without Congressional authorization, anyway.

Yes, the active duty military can advise on such things. The laws prohibit them from taking an "active" part in domestic law enforcement operations, but there is nothing that says they cannot assist with advisers or logistical support. It falls under the Posse Comitatus Act.

And yes, @Obsessed the USMC and Navy fall under this as well.

 

[Grand Vol]

Serious question: I never served in the military and know virtually nothing about this, but I have a neighbor who did serve in the US Army and he just told me that because of something called "The Posse Comitatus Act", Trump is prohibited by Federal Law from using the United States Army to enforce domestic policies on United States soil. He says this law was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and has since been updated. He sounded very sure of himself.

Is this accurate? ... and is Trump using the Army for this border patrol or is it just the National Guard?

The other half of this is whether or not the issue of illegal immigration is considered a law enforcement operation or not. It's never been tried in court and we've always used Federal, State and local LE to enforce the border security and issue of illegals already here. So, honestly, we're in uncharted waters as this unfolds.

 

[Hunerwadel]

Serious question: I never served in the military and know virtually nothing about this, but I have a neighbor who did serve in the US Army and he just told me that because of something called "The Posse Comitatus Act", Trump is prohibited by Federal Law from using the United States Army to enforce domestic policies on United States soil. He says this law was passed as an amendment to an army appropriation bill following the end of Reconstruction and has since been updated. He sounded very sure of himself.

Is this accurate? ... and is Trump using the Army for this border patrol or is it just the National Guard?

The short answer is he is using the Army and National Guard to advance his policy of fear mongering and sheep herding.

 

[Grand Vol]

The short answer is he is using the Army and National Guard to advance his policy of fear mongering and sheep herding.

Your extremely short answer is "I don't really know, but want to make a partisan post that generates likes from Mick and other mouthbreathers and feel good about myself this morning."

 

[0nelilreb]

The other half of this is whether or not the issue of illegal immigration is considered a law enforcement operation or not. It's never been tried in court and we've always used Federal, State and local LE to enforce the border security and issue of illegals already here. So, honestly, we're in uncharted waters as this unfolds.

That’s what I was thinking , there’s a lot we just don’t know until it happens then the lawyers I’m sure will be happy to fight over it .

 

[Hunerwadel]

Your extremely short answer is "I don't really know, but want to make a partisan post that generates likes from Mick and other mouthbreathers and feel good about myself this morning."

If I wanted likes here I'd be giving Trump reach arounds.

 

[Grand Vol]

That’s what I was thinking , there’s a lot we just don’t know until it happens then the lawyers I’m sure will be happy to fight over it .

Here's the thing that many of the mouthbreathers won't realize. They can stomp their feet and whine all day long about it being NOT a law enforcement issue, but if the President has a Finding and declares such a situation to be a National Security issue, there isn't a darn thing they can do about it. The active duty military as well as Guard and Reserves on Title 10 orders can be used to enforce border security if such a thing happens.

I'd be shocked if Mattis, Kelly or someone along those lines hasn't brought this up already and Trump is prepared for that argument.

 

[Grand Vol]

If I wanted likes here I'd be giving Trump reach arounds.

You already proved your ignorance by bringing up Kent State and now knowing any details about it. Why stop there?

Please, continue.

 

[volfanjustin]

If I wanted likes here I'd be giving Trump reach arounds.

Instead you just provide them to LG,Luther and Mick

 

[hog88]

That’s what I was thinking , there’s a lot we just don’t know until it happens then the lawyers I’m sure will be happy to fight over it .

I hope it never comes to that, Trump would lose.

 

[hog88]

Here's the thing that many of the mouthbreathers won't realize. They can stomp their feet and whine all day long about it being NOT a law enforcement issue, but if the President has a Finding and declares such a situation to be a National Security issue, there isn't a darn thing they can do about it. The active duty military as well as Guard and Reserves on Title 10 orders can be used to enforce border security if such a thing happens.

I'd be shocked if Mattis, Kelly or someone along those lines hasn't brought this up already and Trump is prepared for that argument.

It would be a losing argument. We don't want our troops actively involved in this.

 

[Grand Vol]

I hope it never comes to that, Trump would lose.

There is a huge and distinct difference in enforcing immigration policy inside the CONUS and protecting the border.

 

[Grand Vol]

It would be a losing argument. We don't want our troops actively involved in this.

It is a potential Pandora's Box to be opened.

 

[Carl Pickens]

"Invaders"?

Really?

How in the hell did you ever pass the bar?

in·vade
/inˈvād/
verb

1. (of an armed force or its commander) enter (a country or region) so as to subjugate or occupy it.
   "it was all part of a grander French plan to invade Ireland"
   synonymsccupy, conquer, capture, seize, take (over), annex, win, gain, secure; More
   
   
   • enter (a place, situation, or sphere of activity) in large numbers, especially with intrusive effect.
     "demonstrators invaded the presidential palace"
     synonymsverrun, swarm, overwhelm, inundate
     "every summer, tourists invaded the beach."

 

[hog88]

There is a huge and distinct difference in enforcing immigration policy inside the CONUS and protecting the border.

I just see it as a losing proposition for him. Hell send the Coast Guard to defend the Rio Grand, they do have police powers. Just leave the Army, NG and Jarheads to support roles.

 

[Grand Vol]

I just see it as a losing proposition for him. Hell send the Coast Guard to defend the Rio Grand, they do have police powers. Just leave the Army, NG and Jarheads to support roles.

Detain and release to Border Patrol. No more than five kilometers from the international border. Use of force in self defense only.

Set strict parameters and I'm okay with it.

 

[hog88]

Detain and release to Border Patrol. No more than five kilometers from the international border. Use of force in self defense only.

Set strict parameters and I'm okay with it.

I oppose it. Something goes down and an illegal gets hurt or killed the soldier(s) in question will be crucified.