Mimi Groves/UT revoked admission

#603
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SpaceCoastVol said:
You find what she said offensive. You champion the double standard that exists with that word by supporting the actions of UT.
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Because I perceive that she offended another person by stupidly trying to use the N word with impunity because she's a pretty white girl who rarely hears no? I am not personally offended nor do I think kicking her out of school was the best move. I also don't cry for her because she acted a fool and suffered the consequences. I am a dispassionate observer to the entire thing and just enjoy arguing. I also don't get offended by black people using the N word as a means to take ownership of it while not wanting white people to use it due to its historically ugly nature. I'm getting the feeling that you are, in fact, offended by that, though. Am I right?
 
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Ashevolle said:
Says the guy who sees nothing wrong with using the N word. Forgive me for not valuing your views on parenting
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I never said anything close to there was nothing wrong with using the N word. I’ve said that in the situation and context she used it in she should not be forced to apologize or be punished.

Stop lying.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Because I perceive that she offended another person by stupidly trying to use the N word with impunity because she's a pretty white girl who rarely hears no? I am not personally offended nor do I think kicking her out of school was the best move. I also don't cry for her because she acted a fool and suffered the consequences. I am a dispassionate observer to the entire thing and just enjoy arguing. I also don't get offended by black people using the N word as a means to take ownership of it while not wanting white people to use it due to its historically ugly nature. I'm getting the feeling that you are, in fact, offended by that, though. Am I right?
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Offended? Holy ****, people should be punished for offending another person now?
 
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Good thing she wasn't credibly accused as an adult and high-profile UT athlete of placing her bare buttocks on a unsuspecting female trainer's face.

Then she would have been allowed to make a simple apology, had a university street named after her, gone on to have a HOF career, and would be the current university spokesperson in halftime tv plugs.

But, no...she had to commit the unpardonable sin...as a high school freshman.

Gotta admire the UT administration for sending such strong messages about their commitment to social justice.

Regular profiles in courage.
 
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hog88 said:
I never said anything close to there was nothing wrong with using the N word. I’ve said that in the situation and context she used it in she should not be forced to apologize or be punished.

Stop lying.
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You said she shouldn't have apologized for using the N word. What does that imply?
 
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Ashevolle said:
Because I perceive that she offended another person by stupidly trying to use the N word with impunity because she's a pretty white girl who rarely hears no? I am not personally offended nor do I think kicking her out of school was the best move. I also don't cry for her because she acted a fool and suffered the consequences. I am a dispassionate observer to the entire thing and just enjoy arguing. I also don't get offended by black people using the N word as a means to take ownership of it while not wanting white people to use it due to its historically ugly nature. I'm getting the feeling that you are, in fact, offended by that, though. Am I right?
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I am deeply offended by the double standard. I am offended at the double standard exhibited by the left on a daily basis with this kind of thing. "We want diversity..." Yeah, they want that until it conflicts with a protected status. THEN it's "how dare you". Yeah, I am offended at this whole episode. I am embarrassed at my university's handling of it. It has nothing to do with her being "pretty". I'm 60 bubba. 18 year old girls do not get my fever up. I don't know whether or not she has heard the word 'no' or not. Do you? Is it relevant? And I don't think she was acting a fool. She was acting like a 15 year old girl, but being held to the standard that a 20 year old woman is held to. Yeah it's offensive.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
What you offer is no less draconian.

She apologized. As you are fond of saying "Move on".
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So, being given an opportunity to rectify a problem in order to avoid expulsion is no less draconian than expulsion? If you think so, then you're not using the word draconian correctly.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
I am deeply offended by the double standard. I am offended at the double standard exhibited by the left on a daily basis with this kind of thing. "We want diversity..." Yeah, they want that until it conflicts with a protected status. THEN it's "how dare you". Yeah, I am offended at this whole episode. I am embarrassed at my university's handling of it. It has nothing to do with her being "pretty". I'm 60 bubba. 18 year old girls do not get my fever up. I don't know whether or not she has heard the word 'no' or not. Do you? Is it relevant? And I don't think she was acting a fool. She was acting like a 15 year old girl, but being held to the standard that a 20 year old woman is held to. Yeah it's offensive.
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So, you're projecting your being offended onto me? Got it.
 
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Ashevolle said:
Because I perceive that she offended another person by stupidly trying to use the N word with impunity because she's a pretty white girl who rarely hears no? I am not personally offended nor do I think kicking her out of school was the best move. I also don't cry for her because she acted a fool and suffered the consequences. I am a dispassionate observer to the entire thing and just enjoy arguing. I also don't get offended by black people using the N word as a means to take ownership of it while not wanting white people to use it due to its historically ugly nature. I'm getting the feeling that you are, in fact, offended by that, though. Am I right?
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Ashevolle said:
So, being given an opportunity to rectify a problem in order to avoid expulsion is no less draconian than expulsion? If you think so, then you're not using the word draconian correctly.
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You are attaching a stigma to her for the entire time she would have been at UT. Yeah, that's draconian. Maybe she should have had a tattoo as well.
 
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Ashevolle said:
I partially agree with this statement. UT would have been better served to pull her scholarship but let her remain as a student if she completed some racial sensitivity training. As an institute of higher learning, they have an obligation to teach.
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The education should go like this:

"Are you crazy? Don't you realize that you're not allowed to say that word unless you identify as 'Black?' Then it would be a term of endearment and give your Black friens the warm fuzzies, but your saying it as a 'White' person causes trauma and offense...even if you're just imitating popular Black celebrities or even singing along with Black music, which you're encouraged to buy but can't sing. You say that doesn't make any sense? Foolish White girl...don't you understand that you're living in the era of payback? Haven't you been paying attention?"
 
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creekdipper said:
The education should go like this:

"Are you crazy? Don't you realize that you're not allowed to say that word unless you identify as 'Black?' Then it would be a term of endearment and give your Black friens the warm fuzzies, but your saying it as a 'White' person causes trauma and offense...even if you're just imitating popular Black celebrities or even singing along with Black music, which you're encouraged to buy but can't sing. You say that doesn't make any sense? Foolish White girl...don't you understand that you're living in the era of payback? Haven't you been paying attention?"
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I'm offended that pieces of history are no longer fit to be seen because they apparently cause terror in the hearts and minds of people who seem to hold more power than anyone else right now. This stuff is pretty weird. People are so afraid of reminders of the past and petty slurs, but somehow they have the courage to riot, burn, loot, etc - not to mention worshiping blaring songs of hate, violence, and profanity ... kinda confusing.
 
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sonofUT62 said:
So you automatically associate people you have disagreements with as being “ women “.?That’s pretty misogynistic for such a “woke” person.
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I was just joking. Jeez.

Well not about AM64 though. He already showed his character 😳
 
#622
#622
utvolpj said:
I'm ok with telling people that slurs are bad to say
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I didnt slur anyone.

I named a game that existed.

I gave a historical fact and kept it in context.

You can stand up on your soapbox all you want but don't insinuate I slurred someone.

Thank you.
 
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NEO said:
I didnt slur anyone.

I named a game that existed.

I gave a historical fact and kept it in context.

You can stand up on your soapbox all you want but don't insinuate I slurred someone.

Thank you.
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I said the name of the game is a slur which is true for many. Just because you say it's a fact doesn't change the definition. No different than your tiger example or an alternate name for ding, dong, ditch
 
#624
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NEO said:
So then both of them have the right to use the B word?

I define a woman as someone who was born with a vagina but you may consider the term more fluid and include anyone who feels they are a woman such as a transgender person who has not even went through the change yet.

So how do we know that a man at the split second he says the B word does not feel like a woman as he is saying it? Society clearly no longer feels x and y chromosomes decide gender.

Same as a black person? Is tiger woods black? Must you be 100 percent black to use the N word or does a bi racial person have a right to the N word also?

What about Africans who are born in Africa but are white? They live the African culture? Do they have a right to say the N word?

If a bi racial person does then what about a person with just 1 percent African in them? Are they black? If 1 percent is not black enough then what percentage is?

What if this girl took a DNA test and suddenly found out she was a quarter black and changed her name to a traditional Africsn name? Would she suddenly have the right?


A word is either unacceptable in society or it is acceptable for all. When you begin saying this culture has a right to a word but this culture doesnt then you begin to segregate and divide.
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Again, I was joking and I sure thought you were too. My apologies.

The rest of this raises some interesting points. You’re kind of identifying the difference between ethnicity and race. I think it comes down who the communities accept. We’re discussing derogatory terms and they hold the power in terms of what offends them.
 
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allvol123 said:
Ah....so you get a pass by claiming humor. Got it.
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It’s ok to use a slur if you’re at least a certain amount of a certain race. It’s ok to be misogynistic if you’re using it for humorous purpose. It never ceases to amaze me the mental gymnastics that leftists put themselves through to excuse hypocritical behavior. Mainly because they’ve watched left leaning celebrities and politicians get a lifetime pass for it.
 
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