Minneapolis wants to disband police

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85SugarVol said:
Ah. Only because it hasn’t happened yet?

What do you think this wave of Local, State, & Federal politicians about to be swept in is going to do?

Champion no cash bail? Early release for felons? Reduced sentencing guidelines?
Sure….

It doesn’t take a Nostradamus to read the writing in the wall.
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What in God's name are you talking about. OP context was we saw reforms and you said BS and your proof is that the future holds backlash for those reforms, but even if you are right, that wouldn't change the truth about OP. We saw large sweeping reforms.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What in God's name are you talking about. OP context was we saw reforms and you said BS and your proof is that the future holds backlash for those reforms, but even if you are right, that wouldn't change the truth about OP. We saw large sweeping reforms.
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Ok. It will soon all have been for naught.

Then we can calculate the human, financial, and social impact of “raising awareness”.

Some of these states and jurisdictions are going to over-correct, and swing back even more draconian than they were prior to the BLM Riots.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Ok. It will soon all have been for naught.

Then we can calculate the human, financial, and social impact of “raising awareness”.

Some of these states and jurisdictions are going to over-correct, and swing back even more draconian than they were prior to the BLM Riots.
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"Some" is a bold prediction.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
Do you really think all of this is a positive?
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This is what you asked me. I gave no indication that I thought any of them were good, let alone all of them. I haven't even read the list. You asked me for information. I did the work of Googling the information for you, and then you asked me to defend the merits of everything on the list?...
 
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85SugarVol said:
I guess we could try and formulate a list?

Do you think all these soon to be newly elected “tough on crime” politicians like the way things are with soaring crime?
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What does the answer to this question prove? Have "tough on crime" politicians ever liked the way things are with crime?

The police should be concerned with defending life and property. We lost our way and they became agents for the war on drugs. This is the worst thing that could have possibly happened to law enforcement in America. I see it as the primary driver of all the discontent right now, and it's not getting nearly enough blame. I'm not saying race relations would be perfect without the war on drugs, but I am saying it made things incredibly worse.

And the point of all that is the war on drugs is on the decline, and it's going to be hard for some little county in MS to go so Draconian that they, and all the other counties like them, are going to offset the gains we are making nationally because of marijuana decriminalization, and the reduction of no-knock warrants in the war on drugs, the change in general attitudes among everyone, etc. We may see some increased activity around the flavor of the month (Fentanyl), but people have less and less tolerance for the war on drugs. And the more we get away from putting resources into the war on drugs, the more resources we'll have for defending life and property. "Tough on crime" politicians want to increase bail on violent criminals? That's not Draconian.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This is what you asked me. I gave no indication that I thought any of them were good, let alone all of them. I haven't even read the list. You asked me for information. I did the work of Googling the information for you, and then you asked me to defend the merits of everything on the list?...
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That’s funny. You posted a tweet that said areas that needed it most have been improved. I asked where and how. Then you posted a link that you didn’t even read and said it was a “good start”. When I read what you sent and asked if that you thought all that was a “good start” was positive you start acting like I’m asking some strange question. It seems pretty logical to me and it also seems logical that you just want to make blanket statements without discussing the particulars so you do you and I’ll move on.
 
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n_huffhines said:
What in God's name are you talking about. OP context was we saw reforms and you said BS and your proof is that the future holds backlash for those reforms, but even if you are right, that wouldn't change the truth about OP. We saw large sweeping reforms.
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You mean like the ones you didn’t read about?
 
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n_huffhines said:
What does the answer to this question prove? Have "tough on crime" politicians ever liked the way things are with crime?

The police should be concerned with defending life and property. We lost our way and they became agents for the war on drugs. This is the worst thing that could have possibly happened to law enforcement in America. I see it as the primary driver of all the discontent right now, and it's not getting nearly enough blame. I'm not saying race relations would be perfect without the war on drugs, but I am saying it made things incredibly worse.

And the point of all that is the war on drugs is on the decline, and it's going to be hard for some little county in MS to go so Draconian that they, and all the other counties like them, are going to offset the gains we are making nationally because of marijuana decriminalization, and the reduction of no-knock warrants in the war on drugs, the change in general attitudes among everyone, etc. We may see some increased activity around the flavor of the month (Fentanyl), but people have less and less tolerance for the war on drugs. And the more we get away from putting resources into the war on drugs, the more resources we'll have for defending life and property. "Tough on crime" politicians want to increase bail on violent criminals? That's not Draconian.
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Maybe you’re not aware - but I am 100% in alignment with you with regards to the war on drugs. Abject failure.

But the BLM Riots were not limited to the war in drugs - it was across the board.

No cash bail
DA’s refusing to file/prosecute cases
Slashed sentencing guidelines
Release of violent offenders

Letting people go who stole less than $1000 during the smash and grab at Best Buy is not combatting the war in drugs.

It has had horrible consequences. And yes, I am of the opinion that the correction will be downright ugly.
 
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hUTch2002 said:
That’s funny. You posted a tweet that said areas that needed it most have been improved. I asked where and how. Then you posted a link that you didn’t even read and said it was a “good start”. When I read what you sent and asked if that you thought all that was a “good start” was positive you start acting like I’m asking some strange question. It seems pretty logical to me and it also seems logical that you just want to make blanket statements without discussing the particulars so you do you and I’ll move on.
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You're a waste of my time. I've paid attention to the reforms as they've been happening. I didn't feel the need to do any research to know the kinds of things that Balko is talking about in his tweet. You wanted to know about the reforms. I gave you a list. Now you are criticizing me for not doing more work in filtering the information for you.

Are you used to people doing things for you? Where does this entitlement attitude come from?

What blanket statement did I make? You tried to attribute one to me, which I was compelled to speak on so I could distance myself from your erroneous assumption (more wasting of my time).
 
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85SugarVol said:
Maybe you’re not aware - but I am 100% in alignment with you with regards to the war on drugs. Abject failure.

But the BLM Riots were not limited to the war in drugs - it was across the board.

No cash bail
DA’s refusing to file/prosecute cases
Slashed sentencing guidelines
Release of violent offenders

Letting people go who stole less than $1000 during the smash and grab at Best Buy is not combatting the war in drugs.

It has had horrible consequences. And yes, I am of the opinion that the correction will be downright ugly.
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Look, I am talking to you because you responded with "BS" and you're in like 5 posts deep now without having demonstrated that he is wrong that we saw lots of reforms. I just wanted you to back that up, which you can't. I'm not in total disagreement with what you are saying, but what you are saying is tangential to the point I was responding to.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Look, I am talking to you because you responded with "BS" and you're in like 5 posts deep now without having demonstrated that he is wrong that we saw lots of reforms. I just wanted you to back that up, which you can't. I'm not in total disagreement with what you are saying, but what you are saying is tangential to the point I was responding to.
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If you take 2 steps forward only to follow with 3 steps back - what did you reform?

What was the gain?
 
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85SugarVol said:
If you take 2 steps forward only to follow with 3 steps back - what did you reform?

What was the gain?
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But we haven't taken 3 steps back. We have to go off your airtight prediction of the future to support the idea that his tweet is BS. Cool that you admit we took 2 steps forward, tho.
 
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n_huffhines said:
But we haven't taken 3 steps back. We have to go off your airtight prediction of the future to support the idea that his tweet is BS. Cool that you admit we took 2 steps forward, tho.
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The number of steps is irrelevant. It is forward progress followed by a larger backslide.

You think these “gains” will be preserved.
I think they’re gonna crack skulls.

We can disagree on that.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You're a waste of my time. I've paid attention to the reforms as they've been happening. I didn't feel the need to do any research to know the kinds of things that Balko is talking about in his tweet. You wanted to know about the reforms. I gave you a list. Now you are criticizing me for not doing more work in filtering the information for you.

Are you used to people doing things for you? Where does this entitlement attitude come from?

What blanket statement did I make? You tried to attribute one to me, which I was compelled to speak on so I could distance myself from your erroneous assumption (more wasting of my time).
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Wow. Why are you being so stupid about this?

Let’s count the hypocrisy examples. The blanket statement you made was it’s a “good start”. You made the assumption that I was saying you liked it all when I asked you about it and now you’re saying I’m the one assuming things. And, in one last brilliant display of hypocrisy, you say I’m being entitled while twice claiming I’m wasting your oh so valuable time. You simply could have said there’s plenty out there to research yourself if you wanted to say that but instead you linked something, made a BLANKET statement that your link was a good start even though you didn’t read it and then got your panties in a wad when I asked questions. I hope you aren’t always this big of a douche bag, for your own sake.
 
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#618
Substantive Police Reform as the police force is down 25% or 250-300 cops from June 2020.



Minneapolis mayor, LE officials launch initiative to thwart rise of violent crime

The announcement is the latest attempt from law enforcement leaders and elected officials to convince the public they have a handle on violent crime in Minneapolis — an issue that's become central to the upcoming midterm election. So far in 2022, the city has recorded 67 homicides, down from 76 at this time last year but significantly higher than Minneapolis' norm before 2020, according to a Star Tribune database. Shootings, carjackings and other violent crimes are also up in comparison to this time of the year in the decade before the pandemic.

The Minneapolis Police Department is down more than 300 officers from two years ago, after a mass exodus following the police killing of George Floyd and burning of the Third Precinct. Frey said Thursday that the city is preparing to roll out a $1.2 million campaign to recruit officers, but there's "a ways to go" to replenish staff, which is why this new strategy is critical to addressing public safety.



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Minneapolis to pay $50,000 Each to 12 people injured by police during protests after the May 2020 police killing of George Floyd - city will also Implement Reforms on how officers handle demonstrations

  • As part of a settlement approved on Wednesday in federal court, Minneapolis will also implement reforms in the way police officers handle demonstrations
The city of Minneapolis will pay $50,000 each to 12 people injured by police during demonstrations that erupted after a white officer killed George Floyd by pinning the 46-year-old black man's neck to the ground with a knee, court records show.

As part of a settlement approved on Wednesday in federal court, Minneapolis will also implement reforms in the way police officers handle demonstrations, prohibiting them from using physical force and from deploying chemical agents against peaceful protesters.

Minneapolis to pay $50,000 each to 12 people injured by police during George Floyd protests | Daily Mail Online
 
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Franklin Pierce said:
Minneapolis to pay $50,000 Each to 12 people injured by police during protests after the May 2020 police killing of George Floyd - city will also Implement Reforms on how officers handle demonstrations

  • As part of a settlement approved on Wednesday in federal court, Minneapolis will also implement reforms in the way police officers handle demonstrations
The city of Minneapolis will pay $50,000 each to 12 people injured by police during demonstrations that erupted after a white officer killed George Floyd by pinning the 46-year-old black man's neck to the ground with a knee, court records show.

As part of a settlement approved on Wednesday in federal court, Minneapolis will also implement reforms in the way police officers handle demonstrations, prohibiting them from using physical force and from deploying chemical agents against peaceful protesters.

Minneapolis to pay $50,000 each to 12 people injured by police during George Floyd protests | Daily Mail Online
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$600K? The lawyers made more, this was a payoff for them not the “victims”
 
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