Missing Malaysia Airlines Jet

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Velo Vol said:
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Malaysia: Report missing plane kept flying wrong
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Some specialist interviewed on CNN said that even after traveling halfway to vietnam and back they still would have had enough fuel to make it to India or Pakistan.

Another said that it is in fact possible this plane is sitting on an airstrip somewhere or crashed over land but nobody is seriously considering it.
 
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hog88 said:
Anyone remember the dry run on the electrical grid out in CA? What would a complete grid shutdown on the west coast do to our coastal radar?
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I'm sure they've got back up generators and maybe even redundant back up generators.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I have this funny feeling that in the next few days there is going to be a huge break in this with what the Malaysians know and just haven't told anyone yet. Perhaps the aircraft won't have been found yet, but I still get this sneaking suspicion that they know a lot more than they are letting on.
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It's obvious they've had more than they disclosed.

It's not necessarily a bad thing to keep the public in the dark. But for them to sit on stuff for several days while people were searching the wrong area is ridiculous.

As for an immediate big break, I think if they had specific information we might have found it already. Unless the U.S. has uncovered satellite clues or something of that nature, this could drag on for days or weeks.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Breaking news. The transponders were shut down manually. And ABC is reporting they were shut down separately and at different times.

ETA: Link

Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately: US Officials Say - ABC News
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the missing Malaysian flight continued to "ping" a satellite on an hourly basis after it lost contact with radar. The Boeing 777 jetliners are equipped with what is called the Airplane Health Management system in which they ping a satellite every hour. The number of pings would indicate how long the plane stayed aloft.

It's not clear, however, whether the satellite pings also indicate the plane's location. ""We have an indication the plane went down in the Indian Ocean," the senior Pentagon official said.
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Any resident pilots know if they can track the pings? If so and they're searching in the Indian Ocean now, what does that mean?

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BartW said:
Any resident pilots know if they can track the pings? If so and they're searching in the Indian Ocean now, what does that mean?

:confused:
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I don't know but this is purely speculation but the ping would have to contain GPS data which it very well could. Or they may be able to triangulate if the ping was hitting multiple satellites. That's sort of how they can track non GPS enabled cell phones.
 
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volinbham said:
this thing is getting crazy
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Looking mainly like a hijacking with the information that has come out. Which comes down to:

Who did it? (don't start drooling Mav)

Did the plane land or crash?

And also the deductions of:

The Malaysians are completely incompetent.

Or they are hiding something.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd assume the FAA has the same kind of emergency power units as well. FlVol79 can probably elaborate.
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I'm sure they do and maybe 79 can shed some light on it. Another thought, remember when the power went out in Japan and the core of that reactor couldn't be cooled? Couple that with a 777 impact?

I know, I know, imagination running wild.
 
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hog88 said:
I'm sure they do and maybe 79 can shed some light on it. Another thought, remember when the power went out in Japan and the core of that reactor couldn't be cooled? Couple that with a 777 impact?

I know, I know, imagination running wild.
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I think someone is willing to take Tom Clancy's place lol
 
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BartW said:
Any resident pilots know if they can track the pings? If so and they're searching in the Indian Ocean now, what does that mean?

:confused:
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On land the FDR would emit a signal like an EPIRB, under water it emits only a acoustic ping.
 
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#690
This is getting weirder by the minute, smells more and more like an intentional act.
 
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#694
Malaysia Airliner Communications Shut Down Separately: US Officials Say - ABC News

The official initially said there were indications that the plane flew four or five hours after disappearing from radar and that they believe it went into the water. Officials later said the plane likely did not fly four or five hours, but did not specify how long it may have been airborne.
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On CNN a guy on the Navy search vessel said they were searching in a limited area (as opposed to being sent out to the open sea). So maybe there is evidence that the plane was a wounded duck on its way down?

For purposes of finding it, let's hope so, otherwise this is a massive search. As it is, any debris could have already floated more than 200 miles by now.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Is the FDR thevsame thing they are talking about pinging maintenance info to satellites?
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No that was the ACARS system, it reports trouble with the aircraft itself.

The Flight Data Recorder is the (orange) black box that is virtually indestructible, it has a titanium hard drive that records whats going on with the aircraft (speed, altitude, heading, control surfaces engine throttle etc), typically its separate from the flight voice recorder.
 
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Septic said:
No that was the ACARS system, it reports trouble with the aircraft itself.

The Flight Data Recorder is the (orange) black box that is virtually indestructible, it has a titanium hard drive that records whats going on with the aircraft (speed, altitude, heading, control surfaces engine throttle etc), typically its separate from the flight voice recorder.
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Does the ACARS report position data? I assume it would report to an array of satellites similar to gps so as to insure being in line of site with a minimum of two anywhere around the planet?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Looking mainly like a hijacking with the information that has come out. Which comes down to:

Who did it? (don't start drooling Mav)

Did the plane land or crash?

And also the deductions of:

The Malaysians are completely incompetent.

Or they are hiding something.
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The whole thing is insane. If this was pilot suicide they probably wouldn't have even bothered turning off the trasnponders. This points more towards the plane being stolen rather than the plane being crashed on purpose. If you were a jihadist let's say and your sole goal is to crash the plane you'd probably just crash it, period. To fly one direction, turn off the trasnponders, do a 180 and fly in the opposite direction then most likely your intent is to go somewhere with the plane and not be tracked. Why fly in the opposite direction only to reach yet another ocean and crash the plane there instead? Makes zero sense!

Spartacavolus said:
Somebody would've used a cell phone if it didn't crash or was taken. That's a crazy idea.

I think it was extra T.
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If you land somewhere without a cell tower near by you're not making any phone calls.
Depending on where they landed the sim cards might not have worked.
They could have had their phones confiscated.
The hijackers could have brought a cell jammer on board.
 
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Here's a thought: what if it was hijacked with the intention to crash it into something, but the hijackers sucked at flying and crashed into the sea?

How long does plane wreckage float? Could be at the bottom of the ocean by now. Even if it floats, I'd imagine the debris would be pretty dispersed by now.

Maybe dumb ideas just throwing them out there. I'll be disappointed if this mystery is never solved
 
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