Mistakes a coincidence or something more?

[alavolfan]

I'm going to wade in here very, very carefully. Watching some of the games, the HUGE fumbles inside the ten, the end zone even, and plain old dropped balls at critical moments that could have easily been caught, it almost makes me wonder-- well, it almost makes me wonder the unthinkable. Is there something else more sinister going on here? Just wondering and hoping I am wrong, wrong, wrong. Has anyone else, unfortunately, wondered the same thing?

I am a Vol fan through and through but it almost seems as though some don't want to win. Be semi-gentle in your replies. ok?

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by alavolfan@Nov 14, 2005 4:08 PM
I'm going to wade in here very, very carefully. Watching some of the games, the HUGE fumbles inside the ten, the end zone even, and plain old dropped balls at critical moments that could have easily been caught, it almost makes me wonder-- well, it almost makes me wonder the unthinkable. Is there something else more sinister going on here? Just wondering and hoping I am wrong, wrong, wrong. Has anyone else, unfortunately, wondered the same thing?

I am a Vol fan through and through but it almost seems as though some don't want to win. Be semi-gentle in your replies. ok?

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Well, someone figured it out. The players have all been shaving points. That's the only explanation. It couldn't possibly be the fact that we have no impact talent on offense and wretched special teams. No, it's apparent that gambling elements are running the program now.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:14 PM
Well, someone figured it out. The players have all been shaving points. That's the only explanation. It couldn't possibly be the fact that we have no impact talent on offense and wretched special teams. No, it's apparent that gambling elements are running the program now.

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I disagree about talent. I think we have plenty of impact talent on offense.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Nov 14, 2005 4:18 PM
I disagree about talent. I think we have plenty of impact talent on offense.

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Please tell me who they are. Our offensive line is devoid of talent. Riggs and Foster are both plodders. Meachum is the only receiver that really has an NFL body. I won't even address our QB debacle.

 

[BigOrangeBruce]

I agree, something is just not quite right! I posted a question on another board about the recievers not being to cool w/ EA because of his being chosen over B Schafer. Just a thought !

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:21 PM
Please tell me who they are. Our offensive line is devoid of talent. Riggs and Foster are both plodders. Meachum is the only receiver that really has an NFL body. I won't even address our QB debacle.

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Really? I think our line has decent talent despite JRS coaching. And I don't know how you cannot be impressed with Foster. My comment was mostly directed at the WR position. I just don't think we could have possibly missed on ALL hose guys: Smith, Swain, Meachem, and Hannon. They have plenty of talent imo.

 

[WA_Vol]

Originally posted by alavolfan@Nov 14, 2005 5:08 PM
I'm going to wade in here very, very carefully. Watching some of the games, the HUGE fumbles inside the ten, the end zone even, and plain old dropped balls at critical moments that could have easily been caught, it almost makes me wonder-- well, it almost makes me wonder the unthinkable. Is there something else more sinister going on here? Just wondering and hoping I am wrong, wrong, wrong. Has anyone else, unfortunately, wondered the same thing?

I am a Vol fan through and through but it almost seems as though some don't want to win. Be semi-gentle in your replies. ok?

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With the 19pt spread against memphis there was plenty of money to be made without shaving any points, all they had to do was show up.

That would explain the ridiculous spreads; 19 against memphis, 12 against Vandy.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Nov 14, 2005 4:32 PM
Really? I think our line has decent talent despite JRS coaching. And I don't know how you cannot be impressed with Foster. My comment was mostly directed at the WR position. I just don't think we could have possibly missed on ALL hose guys: Smith, Swain, Meachem, and Hannon. They have plenty of talent imo.

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Foster's a 5 yard runner. He couldn't carry Jamal Lewis's cleats. Let's see how many of the OL and WRs play meaningful time on Sunday. The talent on campus now isn't in the same galaxy with the late 90s. For that matter, I'll take Stephens, Stallworth, Washington, and Witten over any combination of what we have now.

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:37 PM
Foster's a 5 yard runner. He couldn't carry Jamal Lewis's cleats.

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That remains to be seen. Jamal had a strong coming out party and didn't finish his career as strong.

If Foster stays healthy and continues to improve, then look out.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:37 PM
Foster's a 5 yard runner. He couldn't carry Jamal Lewis's cleats. Let's see how many of the OL and WRs play meaningful time on Sunday. The talent on campus now isn't in the same galaxy with the late 90s. For that matter, I'll take Stephens, Stallworth, Washington, and Witten over any combination of what we have now.

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I am not comparing Foster with Jamal Lewis or any of our receivers with Stallworth or Washington. However, we have plenty of talent to move the football and compete in the SEC. I guess my point is that talent is not our biggest problem. We have more talent than most of the other 100 schools that rank ahead of us in offensive production.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Orangewhiteblood@Nov 14, 2005 4:41 PM
That remains to be seen.  Jamal had a strong coming out party and  didn't finish his career as strong. 

If Foster stays healthy and continues to improve,  then look out.

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Only injuries prevented Jamal from destroying every UT rushing record. On the '98 team, Foster would have been the FOURTH team tailback.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:43 PM
Only injuries prevented Jamal from destroying every UT rushing record. On the '98 team, Foster would have been the FOURTH team tailback.

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The guy started three games so far man, we aren't trying to induct him in to Canton just yet. You are the only one comparing him to Jamal (who is probably one of the two best back in Tennessee football history depending on who you ask).

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:43 PM
Only injuries prevented Jamal from destroying every UT rushing record. On the '98 team, Foster would have been the FOURTH team tailback.

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Considering the opposing defenses this year and their ability to stack the line due to UT's nonexistent passing game I would say that Foster is a little more explosive than you are giving him credit for.

He seems to run hard, find holes that don't exist, and come up with a good run when necessary. I am not ready to compare him to Henry, Stephens, or Lewis, but I am a little more optimistic than you are about his potential. He runs like he wants to win. That is more than I can say about JL. He really seemed to mail it in at UT.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 14, 2005 4:57 PM
Considering the opposing defenses this year and their ability to stack the line due to UT's nonexistent passing game I would say that Foster is a little more explosive than you are giving him credit for.

He seems to run hard, find holes that don't exist, and come up with a good run when necessary.  I am not ready to compare him to Henry, Stephens, or Lewis, but I am a little more optimistic than you are about his potential.  He runs like he wants to win.  That is more than I can say about JL.  He really seemed to mail it in at UT.

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Did he mail it in before or after he won the Syracuse and Auburn games in'98?

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 14, 2005 4:57 PM
Considering the opposing defenses this year and their ability to stack the line due to UT's nonexistent passing game I would say that Foster is a little more explosive than you are giving him credit for.

He seems to run hard, find holes that don't exist, and come up with a good run when necessary.  I am not ready to compare him to Henry, Stephens, or Lewis, but I am a little more optimistic than you are about his potential.  He runs like he wants to win.  That is more than I can say about JL.  He really seemed to mail it in at UT.

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I am with you and OWB on this one. I don't think he ran as hard in 99 after the injury.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Nov 14, 2005 5:00 PM
I am with you and OWB on this one. I don't think he ran as hard in 99 after the injury.

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Hard to run well on a bad wheel.

 

[Freak]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 5:01 PM
Hard to run well on a bad wheel.

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Yes it is but I don't think he had a bad wheel that year. If he was still suffering from the injury then it was mental.

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:37 PM
Foster's a 5 yard runner. He couldn't carry Jamal Lewis's cleats. Let's see how many of the OL and WRs play meaningful time on Sunday. The talent on campus now isn't in the same galaxy with the late 90s. For that matter, I'll take Stephens, Stallworth, Washington, and Witten over any combination of what we have now.

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Yea hat I guess your right. Here are some stats for you as far as Frosh runners.

TENNESSEE'S ALL-TIME FRESHMAN RUSHING LEADERS
PLAYER, YEAR G ATT YDS
1. Jamal Lewis, 1997 12 232 1,364
2. Chuck Webb, 1989 10 209 1,236
3. Reggie Cobb, 1987 12 237 1,197
4. James Stewart, 1991 11 190 939
5. Aaron Hayden, 1991 10 145 704
6. Keith Davis, 1985 10 141 684
7. Arian Foster, 2005 9 117 542

Now also take into account that AF has only started 3 games.
I think he is doing pretty darn good. You also have to take into account that when JL was a Frosh we had a pretty good passing game and some no name qb. LOL

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by VolBeef88@Nov 14, 2005 5:09 PM
Yea hat I guess your right. Here are some stats for you as far as Frosh runners.

TENNESSEE'S ALL-TIME FRESHMAN RUSHING LEADERS
PLAYER, YEAR G ATT YDS
1. Jamal Lewis, 1997 12 232 1,364
2. Chuck Webb, 1989 10 209 1,236
3. Reggie Cobb, 1987 12 237 1,197
4. James Stewart, 1991 11 190 939
5. Aaron Hayden, 1991 10 145 704
6. Keith Davis, 1985 10 141 684
7. Arian Foster, 2005 9 117 542

Now also take into account that AF has only started 3 games.
I think he is doing pretty darn good. You also have to take into account that when JL was a Frosh we had a pretty good passing game and some no name qb. LOL

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If you think Foster is in the same league with Webb and Lewis, I wish you were evaluating talent for the rest of the SEC.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by vol_freak@Nov 14, 2005 5:04 PM
Yes it is but I don't think he had a bad wheel that year. If he was still suffering from the injury then it was mental.

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Ask Edgerrin James how long it takes to get back up to speed after a major knee injury. Most surgeons say it's 18-24 months.

 

[Lexvol]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 5:11 PM
If you think Foster is in the same league with Webb and Lewis, I wish you were evaluating talent for the rest of the SEC.

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Not putting him in that league yet, but not convinced he can't be. Don't you think the previously mentioned backs had far superior OLs?

 

[OWB]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:43 PM
Only injuries prevented Jamal from destroying every UT rushing record. On the '98 team, Foster would have been the FOURTH team tailback.

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I know that. I'm not saying that Foster is Jamal. What I'm saying is IF Foster stays healthy (unlike Jamal) he could finish strong (unlike Jamal).

 

[VolBeef88]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 5:11 PM
If you think Foster is in the same league with Webb and Lewis, I wish you were evaluating talent for the rest of the SEC.

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Where did I say he was as good as anyone? That is what I thought.
The thing is you and some others want to say that EVERY part of our team is horrible because we are having a tough year. I showed you the stats and you have nothing to back up your ridiculous statement about AF.
Prove me wrong on these points.

1. He is avg over 100+ per start. Y or N
2. He is starting on a bad passing team. Y or N
3. He is #7 on the all time Frosh rushing list for UT. Y or N

Come on now don't let your fellow doom and gloomers down and show me where I am wrong.

 

[hatvol96]

Originally posted by Lexvol@Nov 14, 2005 5:14 PM
Not putting him in that league yet, but not convinced he can't be.  Don't you think the previously mentioned backs had far superior OLs?

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Probably. However, none of the linemen Webb or Lewis ran behind were NFL standouts. Maybe having GREAT backs made those lines look better than they were.

 

[Liper]

Originally posted by hatvol96@Nov 14, 2005 4:37 PM
Foster's a 5 yard runner. He couldn't carry Jamal Lewis's cleats. Let's see how many of the OL and WRs play meaningful time on Sunday. The talent on campus now isn't in the same galaxy with the late 90s. For that matter, I'll take Stephens, Stallworth, Washington, and Witten over any combination of what we have now.

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Interesting...everyone you mentioned played on the 2001 team at the same time...for what it's worth.

TN no doubt had incredible talent in the late 90s. Talent that few will ever assemble the likes of. But it's not as if you have to have an NFL team to be good, if and if you don't, you finish 100th in the NCAA in scoring offense. There is an in between.

There's plenty of talent on this team. Chris Hannon will play in the NFL.

Riddle me this...

1.How many teams do you think have better talent than us?
2.How are their offenses?
3.Why is our offense worse than last year?