Mitt - Can he win against Obama?

Does Mitt beat Obama in the general election?

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MystifyingVol

MystifyingVol

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I think Mitt ends up with the nomination if we don't have a brokered convention. Can Mitt beat Obama in November, Vote Yes or No and please give your reasons why
 
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He can absolutely win. A crappy economy and disgust with incumbents will work for him. The question is how much.
 
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Can, or Will? He can, I don't think he will. I think he has an image problem, and an inability to sell who he is. There's a hump there because he's wealthy (through the finance and investment industry), and his message doesn't match his history. Also Obama is crushing R's in cash money.

(I voted as "will" as the question in the poll suggests)
 
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He's my guy but I think the rift amongst republicans is way too strong...unfortunately.
 
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GAVol said:
He can absolutely win. A crappy economy and disgust with incumbents will work for him. The question is how much.
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If he can make the race about what you posted (mainly Obama) he will win.

Obama is gonna run like a scaled dog from the last 4 years. Then point fingers, and talk about the same bright future of hope and change.
 
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If they focus on the issues then yes he can win. The class warfare that the Dems have waged will be his biggest challenge to get over the hump. It's really all just a dog and pony show. There is no such thing as a poor politician. So if you're smart enough to figure it out then they're just a bunch of hypocrites.

You really can't slam one side when you're living the same lifestyle they are.
 
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Weezy said:
Can, or Will? He can, I don't think he will. I think he has an image problem, and an inability to sell who he is. There's a hump there because he's wealthy (through the finance and investment industry), and his message doesn't match his history. Also Obama is crushing R's in cash money.

(I voted as "will" as the question in the poll suggests)
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Gop version of Kerry
 
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Heebs said:
He's my guy but I think the rift amongst republicans is way too strong...unfortunately.
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it looks bad now, but they will coalesce behind the eventual nominee

that said, I'm still voting for Huntsman and hoping the GOP picks up the Senate and keeps the House
 
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Big difference between can he and does he.

Sure, he can. Right now I'd say Obama would be favored. But there is plenty of time, and we are likely to see some significant back and forth, depending on how the economy does, Iran, etc.

The situation really is not very complicated. It will, as usual, come down to a few key states.
 
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I think he can. Right now if I were to try and predict the future, I would say, no, he doesn't beat Obama. Too much can change though
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
If unemployment is down and the stock market up, Obama wins big time.
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ADP shows employment up, with 216,000 new jobs.

25th straight month with a gain.

Rick Santelli running out of negative spin based on actual facts, so soon all he will be left with is a conspiracy theory that the numbers are faked. You watch, he will insinuate that soon.
 
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lawgator1 said:
ADP shows employment up, with 216,000 new jobs.

25th straight month with a gain.

Rick Santelli running out of negative spin based on actual facts, so soon all he will be left with is a conspiracy theory that the numbers are faked. You watch, he will insinuate that soon.
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Current gas prices will begin to affect numbers in about 2 months. If they continue to rise, it will be nearly impossible for Obama to separate himself from the economy.
 
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Lexvol said:
Current gas prices will begin to affect numbers in about 2 months. If they continue to rise, it will be nearly impossible for Obama to separate himself from the economy.
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That's my theory exactly. Increased gas prices are effectively like a tax and once the whole country is seeing $4+ at the pump this summer, it's going to be hard for President Obama to avoid being scapegoated; especially after the Keystone episode.
 
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lawgator1 said:
ADP shows employment up, with 216,000 new jobs.

25th straight month with a gain.

Rick Santelli running out of negative spin based on actual facts, so soon all he will be left with is a conspiracy theory that the numbers are faked. You watch, he will insinuate that soon.
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Talk about spin...unemployment has only been declining for 6-7 straight months.

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Labor force participation has been declining for 15 straight months.

Bureau of Labor Statistics Data
 
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GAVol said:
That's my theory exactly. Increased gas prices are effectively like a tax and once the whole country is seeing $4+ at the pump this summer, it's going to be hard for President Obama to avoid being scapegoated; especially after the Keystone episode.
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Exactly. It eats away at disposable income. It just takes a month or two for restaurants, grocery stores, and other retailers to begin cutting back on their inventory. It also hurts the real estate market which has the potential to sink Obama on its' own.
 
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Lexvol said:
I agree, but it will be nearly impossible to convey to the general public. The conventional media isn't going to touch it.
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That's why I think the one thing Herman Cain nailed was the silo city of his message when he talked about the need for certainty above all else.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Big difference between can he and does he.

Sure, he can. Right now I'd say Obama would be favored. But there is plenty of time, and we are likely to see some significant back and forth, depending on how the economy does, Iran, etc.

The situation really is not very complicated. It will, as usual, come down to a few key states.
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Yep
 
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GAVol said:
That's my theory exactly. Increased gas prices are effectively like a tax and once the whole country is seeing $4+ at the pump this summer, it's going to be hard for President Obama to avoid being scapegoated; especially after the Keystone episode.
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Probably correct, although Keystone is a bit of red herring on this point in that a) wouldn't be on line for years; and b) a more fundamental problem is lack of refining capacity.



Lexvol said:
Exactly. It eats away at disposable income. It just takes a month or two for restaurants, grocery stores, and other retailers to begin cutting back on their inventory. It also hurts the real estate market which has the potential to sink Obama on its' own.
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At this point I really think that the narrative that has taken hold on housing is that it was a bubble, and "blame" is on nameless, faceless, financiers.

The gas price issue is much more acute for Obama, politically.
 
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I told someone yesterday, the best thing Obama could do is find some elder statesman Republican and appoint him "Oil and Gas Czar" just to give him some cover.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Probably correct, although Keystone is a bit of red herring on this point in that a) wouldn't be on line for years; and b) a more fundamental problem is lack of refining capacity.






At this point I really think that the narrative that has taken hold on housing is that it was a bubble, and "blame" is on nameless, faceless, financiers.

The gas price issue is much more acute for Obama, politically.
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The residential market...maybe. The commercial market has been hanging on by a thread. I sometimes wonder if that is going underreported, even now. It is something to keep an eye on.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Probably correct, although Keystone is a bit of red herring on this point in that a) wouldn't be on line for years; and b) a more fundamental problem is lack of refining capacity.

At this point I really think that the narrative that has taken hold on housing is that it was a bubble, and "blame" is on nameless, faceless, financiers.

The gas price issue is much more acute for Obama, politically.
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I expect the Dems to kick up the speculation blame game for gas as well, putting the blame on "nameless, faceless" wall streeters. To me it seems like it's already picking up again (if I recall speculation caught a lot of heat during 2008, which some have speculated that the combo of Bush's proposal's for more exploration and a house bill proposed against gas speculation resulted in the drop).
 
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