‘23 MO EDGE Chandavian Bradley (Tennessee Commit)

[volfan4evr]

I hope these two take this as a challenge and ball out this year. Make the ranking services eat crow!

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Like no one thinks they're completely irrelevant... right?

Good grief dude. Recruiting services miss. They also hit. Nobody has alluded otherwise.

 

[onevol74]

Nope. Blue chip ratio is statistically a gigantic factor in winning championships though

I disagree. This is all a political process that has been going on since back to the 1980’s. We were beating Bama with 3 stars when Forrest Davis and Tom Fleming was proclaiming every recruit that went to Bama as a 5 star. The same thing continues to happen when you see a 5 star commit to Tennessee and this kid is a great example. I was a fan of all the recruiting magazines until it was obvious that bias was clearly evident.

And I am a believer that Seldon will be a better player in college than anyone Bama or UGA recruits this year.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

I disagree. This is all a political process that has been going on since back to the 1980’s. We were beating Bama with 3 stars when Forrest Davis and Tom Fleming was proclaiming every recruit that went to Bama as a 5 star. The same thing continues to happen when you see a 5 star commit to Tennessee and this kid is a great example. I was a fan of all the recruiting magazines until it was obvious that bias was clearly evident.

And I am a believer that Seldon will be a better player in college than anyone Bama or UGA recruits this year.

You can disagree all you want. But you can’t argue against the hard data. Times have drastically changed in recruiting. If your opinion here was correct, you would see teams that recruit much less blue chip players win more significant games. Do you see that? No you don’t.

It’s not a political process. It’s simply that guys like Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher, Swinney, Day etc go after the best players year in and year out. If it’s just political then why do most fans get all excited when we land a 5*? Why was this board gloating after we landed Nico that we were gonna clean up and sign 5-6 5*? Why would anyone care? Why to the teams that win the most have the highest rated recruiting class EVERY single year?

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

You can disagree all you want. But you can’t argue against the hard data. Times have drastically changed in recruiting. If your opinion here was correct, you would see teams that recruit much less blue chip players win more significant games. Do you see that? No you don’t.

It’s not a political process. It’s simply that guys like Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher, Swinney, Day etc go after the best players year in and year out. If it’s just political then why do most fans get all excited when we land a 5*? Why was this board gloating after we landed Nico that we were gonna clean up and sign 5-6 5*? Why would anyone care? Why to the teams that win the most have the highest rated recruiting class EVERY single year?

Yes and no. Stars matter. There’s no disputing that. If you aren’t recruiting in the top 10 you aren’t winning a championship.

But there is also absolute bias and politics being played. For example, take Arian Smith. This is a dude who never played receiver in high school. But he ran a fast track time and committed to UGA and was immediately bumped to a top 50 player.

Take CJ Allen. CJ Allen is a great player. When he was leaning towards TN, no ratings bump. He was a low 3 star player. The moment he committed silently to UGA, he was bumped to a top 50 player. 2 days after Wiltfong CB’d him to Ga he got that massive bump.

Compare him to Jalen Smith. Smith is 215 pounds, plays against better competition, and broke 5 star Owen Pappoe’s tackle record as a junior. But Smith is coming to TN, he’s a 3 star. How? If Allen would have chosen Tn, Smith would be at Ga. You think their rankings would be the same as they are now?

Take Ricky Gibson. If Ga just recruits the best players and the rankings reflect that, why has Ricky Gibson not gotten a bump? I guarantee that if he would have committed to Ga he would’ve been bumped already.

So yes Bama UGA and others are getting the best players. But there is also no question that favorites are played

 

[#Vol4Life1991]

Yes and no. Stars matter. There’s no disputing that. If you aren’t recruiting in the top 10 you aren’t winning a championship.

But there is also absolute bias and politics being played. For example, take Arian Smith. This is a dude who never played receiver in high school. But he ran a fast track time and committed to UGA and was immediately bumped to a top 50 player.

Take CJ Allen. CJ Allen is a great player. When he was leaning towards TN, no ratings bump. He was a low 3 star player. The moment he committed silently to UGA, he was bumped to a top 100 player. 2 days after Wiltfong CB’d him to Ga he got that massive bump.

Compare him to Jalen Smith. Smith is 215 pounds, plays against better competition, and broke 5 star Owen Pappoe’s tackle record as a junior. But Smith is coming to TN, he’s a 3 star. How? If Allen would have chosen Tn, Smith would be at Ga. You think their rankings would be the same as they are now?

Take Ricky Gibson. If Ga just recruits the best players and the rankings reflect that, why has Ricky Gibson not gotten a bump? I guarantee that if he would have committed to Ga he would’ve been bumped already.

So yes Bama UGA and others are getting the best players. But there is also no question that favorites are played

Gibson got a bump to a 4* on August 1st (when it appeared uga was going to get him) on the consensus on3 rating. He’s back to a 3*

 

[GUNTERSVOL]

You can disagree all you want. But you can’t argue against the hard data. Times have drastically changed in recruiting. If your opinion here was correct, you would see teams that recruit much less blue chip players win more significant games. Do you see that? No you don’t.

It’s not a political process. It’s simply that guys like Saban, Smart, Meyer, Fisher, Swinney, Day etc go after the best players year in and year out. If it’s just political then why do most fans get all excited when we land a 5*? Why was this board gloating after we landed Nico that we were gonna clean up and sign 5-6 5*? Why would anyone care? Why to the teams that win the most have the highest rated recruiting class EVERY single year?

Let’s take a harder look at the hard data. I have stayed my position poorly concerning ratings. On my phone so could not save a bunch, but let’s take the most successful program the last decade, BAMA.

Cause of ease I used Rivals data. Don’t just see how many of their recruits are 4-5 star. Go look at the national rankings is each and the position ranking of each. Saw a couple in the 150-250? range, but most were sub 100. Position rankings are sick, generally in top 10. They are dealing in the range of the 20% of 4 stars that you would project to get drafted, not the 80% that don’t. So yes their stars really matter. They reach out and tag some three stars too, but you can bet they got game from evaluations. Those with fish deeper in the 4 star pool have way longer odds. They are not outsmarting the rest, just using their leverage and cherry picking cause they can enough of the time.

 

[walkenvol]

There’s a thread for this star debate - take it there please

 

[Orange.]

There’s a thread for this star debate - take it there please

#2,005 and #2,006 should stay because they are pertinent to the discussion because Bradley was re-ranked. The point is that it was not an anomaly. I've already copied each of them to the Player Rankings thread, in case someone wants to go into the question in general over there. For example, #2,007 should be moved.

 

[T2P_Priceless]

They do have Cam Seldon in the top 100
In total 3 guys in the top 100

But they have 6 QBs ahead of Nico.
That's some of the worst "scouting " I've seen. He's the best QB by a wide margin, and to have him at 7th best QB?? Ha!

Saban had him 1 from what I heard but ESPN has the AL QBs ahead of him?

 

[LittleVol]

Saban had him 1 from what I heard but ESPN has the AL QBs ahead of him?

Yup!
It's easily the worst eval I've seen from them

 

[Geaux_Vols]

 

[ALStateLineVol]

Saw an article yesterday where CB is coming in for the Alabama game. It also mentioned how he is helping recruit and specifically mentioned how he is talking to Hobbs & Searcy (FL commit) to get them to Knoxville. Good to see recruits doing what they can to help get UT back to playing for championships.

Go Vols!!

 

[allvolrecruiting]

I've seen some impressive performances from elite players early this season and Bradley's showing on Friday night ranks towards the top. The Tennessee edge rusher commit looked spectacular throughout much of the night and although his ability to rush the passer is special, it was his ability to impact the game in all three phases that really stood out. Bradley is an athlete in every sense of the word and backed that up by scoring on both sides of the ball with some impressive sack-fumbles to boot.

Bradley is a little thin right now and I understand that some may worry about his ability to hold up as a three-down end in the SEC where he will encounter mammoth and athletic offensive tackles, but his frame leads me to believe that he will be able to put on the mass required to be a multi-tool and lethal pass rusher at the next level. Tennessee is getting a good one and we may have him rated a little too low right now.

- Clint Cosgrove (Rivals)

 

[RockyTop411]

- Clint Cosgrove (Rivals)

The fact that this guy works for the same service that dropped the kid from #27 to #96 in three months when football wasn’t being played is rich

The only problem Rivals had was he committed to Tenn instead of Bama, UGA, FL, OSU…. Bums

 

[benholt06]

The fact that this guy works for the same service that dropped the kid from #27 to #96 in three months when football wasn’t being played is rich

The only problem Rivals had was he committed to Tenn instead of Bama, UGA, FL, OSU…. Bums

They're really riding the "he's too skinny" train hard. As if a 6'5 guy can't put on 25-30 lbs.

 

[RAVOL]

Bradley and Herring both are really athletic long and have tremendous futures but both will have several years of eating and lifting in Tn amazing program to be the players we all hope they become at Tennessee. Both have the first step length and bend to be special. I don't care were there ranked just that they sign with big Orange. In CHRIST Alone

 

[TitanicVolz]

Bradley and Herring both are really athletic long and have tremendous futures but both will have several years of eating and lifting in Tn amazing program to be the players we all hope they become at Tennessee. Both have the first step length and bend to be special. I don't care were there ranked just that they sign with big Orange. In CHRIST Alone

Guys that are planning on coming in and being EE will pay huge dividends for there development.Im not sure if it's listed or not anywheres.

 

[RAVOL]

Guys that are planning on coming in and being EE will pay huge dividends for there development.Im not sure if it's listed or not anywheres.

Getting head start definitely helps. I believe that both are planning on being here in January.

 

[BelieveTheHeup93]

Getting head start definitely helps. I believe that both are planning on being here in January.

Bradley isn’t but Herring is. What’s huge though is getting all of our DBs plus Umarov too

 

[give_him 6]

I came to watch Chandavian Bradley play against Oak Park (Kansas City, MO) which is our kid’s feeder school. He scored a touchdown as a WR with an unbelievable grab in the end zone. However, his team doesn’t play him very much. He came in for a couple of plays on defense after someone was hurt but probably played 10 plays on both sides on ball in 1st half.

 

[ACvol3]

I came to watch Chandavian Bradley play against Oak Park (Kansas City, MO) which is our kid’s feeder school. He scored a touchdown as a WR with an unbelievable grab in the end zone. However, his team doesn’t play him very much. He came in for a couple of plays on defense after someone was hurt but probably played 10 plays on both sides on ball in 1st half.

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Why’s he not playing more on defense?

 

[cncchris33]

I came to watch Chandavian Bradley play against Oak Park (Kansas City, MO) which is our kid’s feeder school. He scored a touchdown as a WR with an unbelievable grab in the end zone. However, his team doesn’t play him very much. He came in for a couple of plays on defense after someone was hurt but probably played 10 plays on both sides on ball in 1st half.

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Maybe explains the drop in rankings, but still, how good is his school that they can afford to sparingly play a kid like him? Are we being sold a bill of goods, here?

 

[give_him 6]

Why’s he not playing more on defense?

Not sure. He did play more in the second half.

 

[Vol464]

I came to watch Chandavian Bradley play against Oak Park (Kansas City, MO) which is our kid’s feeder school. He scored a touchdown as a WR with an unbelievable grab in the end zone. However, his team doesn’t play him very much. He came in for a couple of plays on defense after someone was hurt but probably played 10 plays on both sides on ball in 1st half.

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So you live in KC?