Mollie Tibbetts murder suspect arrested

[SLICKYINC]

well not ashamed of his accomplishments but how he treated his mom and brother. He is book smart but does not have common sense. I guess that is the case for some smart people.

Seems to be the one hereditary trait passed down.

 

[n_huffhines]

 

[SLICKYINC]

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Now do the other 49 states..

 

[hog88]

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Hard to convict when they run back across the border.

 

[1972 Grad]

Hard to convict when they run back across the border.

Beat me to it, but Huff always takes up for the bad guys. How else will he get his drugs?.

 

[n_huffhines]

Beat me to it, but Huff always takes up for the bad guys. How else will he get his drugs?.

There is a legal market for marijuana in AZ. Not everybody bases their political positions on self-interest.

Immigrants are not the "bad guys".

 

[evillawyer]

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And it's not hard to see why the crime rate among illegal immigrants is lower than the national average. If you spend every dime you got to get to this country, you're more likely to keep your nose down and clean. Lot more likely to be deported if you commit a crime.

 

[n_huffhines]

Hard to convict when they run back across the border.

I guess you have that little twig to sit on. Whatever you do, don't read the source material.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-updated.pdf

 

[volfanjustin]

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I don't see why this argument is relative at all

 

[n_huffhines]

I don't see why this argument is relative at all

Do you mean relevant? You're saying you don't understand how arrest and conviction rates for natives, legal immigrants, and II's in murders and sexual assaults in Texas* are relevant to the conversation about immigration and crime?

Again, don't read this.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-updated.pdf

*one of the few states who keeps statistics on immigration status of criminals

 

[volfanjustin]

Do you mean relevant? You're saying you don't understand how arrest and conviction rates for natives, legal immigrants, and II's in murders and sexual assaults in Texas* are relevant to the conversation about immigration and crime?

Again, don't read this.

https://object.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/pubs/pdf/irpb-4-updated.pdf

*one of the few states who keeps statistics on immigration status of criminals

Yes, relevant.
Of course we have bad people here but shouldn't illegal immigrant crimes be 0% because they shouldn't be here in the first place?

 

[T-TownVol]

There is a legal market for marijuana in AZ. Not everybody bases their political positions on self-interest.

Immigrants are not the "bad guys".

Nope.....just you 99.9% of the time.

 

[T-TownVol]

Hard to convict when they run back across the border.

And come right back as soon as they are ready.

 

[n_huffhines]

Yes, relevant.
Of course we have bad people here but shouldn't illegal immigrant crimes be 0% because they shouldn't be here in the first place?

I suppose in vfj's utopia there are no illegal immigrants

 

[volfanjustin]

I suppose in vfj's utopia there are no illegal immigrants

So because we have x number of bad Americans, it's ok if illegals kill/rape because its less than what native born Americans do?

 

[n_huffhines]

So because we have x number of bad Americans, it's ok if illegals kill/rape because its less than what native born Americans do?

You're free to conclude whatever dumb things you want from the data. My conclusion is that people peddling the idea that illegals are dangerous are alarmists who must think that Americans are dangerous.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I suppose in vfj's utopia there are no illegal immigrants

Race prejudice rests on deep-seated human instincts, and it is Utopian to expect it to disappear.

 

[1972 Grad]

There is a legal market for marijuana in AZ. Not everybody bases their political positions on self-interest.

Immigrants are not the "bad guys".

I didn't refer to all "immigrants." I was referring to the "illegals" that are convicted murderers in your chart, and God knows you love charts and graphs and stuff. Their "illegal" murderers is who you seem to be taking up for, by saying that they aren't as bad as our citizen murderers.

 

[n_huffhines]

I didn't refer to all "immigrants." I was referring to the "illegals" that are convicted murderers in your chart, and God knows you love charts and graphs and stuff. Their "illegal" murderers is who you seem to be taking up for, by saying that they aren't as bad as our citizen murderers.

I'm not defending convicted murderers. I'm defending immigrants. When you say that I take up for the bad guys and I'm taking up for immigrants, I'm not wrong to assume you mean immigrants.

 

[LouderVol]

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another way to look at this is that illegal immigrants more than two and a half times as dangerous as the legal ones. which does reinforce the idea of needing better border control (no wall for me). also outlines the importance of the distinction the pro control people make between illegal and not. I think even the worst "racists/bigots/southern nazi redhatters" would agree they are fine with immigration, just not the illegal type.

 

[1972 Grad]

I'm not defending convicted murderers. I'm defending immigrants. When you say that I take up for the bad guys and I'm taking up for immigrants, I'm not wrong to assume you mean immigrants.

Yes you are. Assume (ass u me) makes an ass out of you and me.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm not defending convicted murderers. I'm defending immigrants. When you say that I take up for the bad guys and I'm taking up for immigrants, I'm not wrong to assume you mean immigrants.

Which immigrants are you taking up for?

 

[n_huffhines]

another way to look at this is that illegal immigrants more than two and a half times as dangerous as the legal ones. which does reinforce the idea of needing better border control (no wall for me). also outlines the importance of the distinction the pro control people make between illegal and not. I think even the worst "racists/bigots/southern nazi redhatters" would agree they are fine with immigration, just not the illegal type.

Then why is Trump reducing legal immigration?

 

[LouderVol]

Then why is Trump reducing legal immigration?

I haven't seen any real numbers on this. did a quick google and the last numbers the government posted was 2016.
some of it could be possible immigrants deciding to stay home with the rhetoric coming out. the only one I see that Trump has actively cut is refugees, considering some of those we were possibly getting, from Australia, I don't really blame him.

 

[n_huffhines]

I haven't seen any real numbers on this. did a quick google and the last numbers the government posted was 2016.
some of it could be possible immigrants deciding to stay home with the rhetoric coming out. the only one I see that Trump has actively cut is refugees, considering some of those we were possibly getting, from Australia, I don't really blame him.

I'm saying he's implemented policies that will/have restricted legal immigration. For example, refugees in the immigration ban would be the most obvious case. This article is from February:

That’s not what Donald Trump proposes. His plan provides legal status and a lengthy path for citizenship for up to 1.8 million people who are eligible for the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program. In exchange, though, the president wants to sharply restrict family-based immigration.

The bill he favors would change the law to bar naturalized citizens from petitioning to bring their parents, adult or married children, and siblings. Only spouses and children under age 18 (down from the current 21) would be eligible.

Trump also wants to abolish the diversity visa lottery, which takes up to 50,000 people each year from countries that are underrepresented in other categories. He would limit refugee admissions, which numbered 85,000 in 2016, to an annual maximum of 45,000.

In all, his plan would slash legal immigration by as much as half, the most drastic cut in nearly a century. On Wednesday, Trump threatened to veto any bill that doesn’t include such limits.

I know since that was written he also announced he's restricting spouses of high-skilled visa holders, for hell's sakes.

quote source:
Trump leads an attack on legal immigration