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Grand Vol said:
Methane emissions from cattle - PubMed

Carbon farming: reducing methane emissions from cattle using feed additives | Agriculture and Food

Methane facts and information

As Beef Comes Under Fire for Climate Impacts, the Industry Fights Back - Inside Climate News
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EU's farm animals 'produce more emissions than cars and vans combined'

Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

None of this data takes secondary issues like reduction of trees, massive water usage or the fact that 1/3 of crops are grown to feed animals. It takes 25lbs of crops to produce one pound of meat.

I'll also point out that during lockdowns with millions of cars, transport trucks and planes shut down across the globe, emissions only dropped around 5-7% and was describes as "almost imperceptible"
 
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MurphyVol said:
EU's farm animals 'produce more emissions than cars and vans combined'

Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

None of this data takes secondary issues like reduction of trees, massive water usage or the fact that 1/3 of crops are grown to feed animals. It takes 25lbs of crops to produce one pound of meat.

I'll also point out that during lockdowns with millions of cars, transport trucks and planes shut down across the globe, emissions only dropped around 5-7% and was describes as "almost imperceptible"
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Are you conscientiously avoiding beef, dairy, and leather products?
 
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McDad said:
You are, unfortunately, part of the problem you're concerned about.
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As is everyone that is connected to the electrical grid. I alone do not have the power to make an impact, but changes will be made. Unfortunately they will come slowly.
 
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MurphyVol said:
As is everyone that is connected to the electrical grid. I alone do not have the power to make an impact, but changes will be made. Unfortunately they will come slowly.
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Justification for your irresponsibility doesn't diminish your role in the larger climate damage as a consumer of a dirty industry.
 
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McDad said:
Justification for your irresponsibility doesn't diminish your role in the larger climate damage as a consumer of a dirty industry.
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I'm confused, where did I say I wasn't a part of the problem? I must have forgotten I typed that.
 
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MurphyVol said:
I'm confused, where did I say I wasn't a part of the problem? I must have forgotten I typed that.
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You didn't. But it is confusing how you are thinking globally (the climate damage caused by the industry) without also acting locally (changing your purchasing behaviors when other options are easily obtained).
 
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norrislakevol said:
The hypothesis of man made climate change is just another excuse the left has to steal more of our money and force us to "comply" with their loony socialist agenda. The models they use to predict upcoming climate changes are absolute and total garbage...not reliable what so ever.
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Donald Trump once backed urgent climate action. Wait, what?

Bush Had a Lasting Impact on Climate and Air Policy

http://www.fresnobee.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/article138562523.html
 
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McDad said:
You didn't. But it is confusing how you are thinking globally (the climate damage caused by the industry) without also acting locally (changing your purchasing behaviors when other options are easily obtained).
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My actions and the actions of billions of other selfish humans (including you) don't change science. You can deflect to me all you like but we need to change our power grid and food sources.
 
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MurphyVol said:
My actions and the actions of billions of other selfish humans (including you) don't change science. You can deflect to me all you like but we need to change our power grid and food sources.
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Since the need to change is so absolute and urgent, why do you delay in changing your habits?
 
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MurphyVol said:
EU's farm animals 'produce more emissions than cars and vans combined'

Cow 'emissions' more damaging to planet than CO2 from cars

None of this data takes secondary issues like reduction of trees, massive water usage or the fact that 1/3 of crops are grown to feed animals. It takes 25lbs of crops to produce one pound of meat.

I'll also point out that during lockdowns with millions of cars, transport trucks and planes shut down across the globe, emissions only dropped around 5-7% and was describes as "almost imperceptible"
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Yeah, I actually linked studies and unbiased research.

You linked Greenpeace propaganda and an article from 2006. And that "research" study supporting the 2006 article even says it doesn't reflect the policies or attitudes of the FAO (A UN organization).

Just know that for every article you link in, I'm going to poke holes in it and come back with actual research. Do yourself a favor and get off the AOC Cow Farting bandwagon. She's a moron and I don't think you should be listening to her on climate change ideas.
 
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McDad said:
Since the need to change is so absolute and urgent, why do you delay in changing your habits?
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I think you know the answer but I'll answer this and then I'll let you have the last word that I can tell they you so desperately need.

#1im selfish just like everyone in this board that's plugged into a grid

#2 the actions of one man, or 1,000 people or even a whole city are negligible. As I stated before the whole transportation sector was shut down and emissions barely dropped. Impact is made at the global government level, but you already knew that.

Have a good day and enjoy your rebuttal that turns the focus back to me.
 
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Oh, and on that nuclear thing, @MurphyVol

Why is it each and every time someone starts talking about a new nuclear plant, the enviro-nazi crowd starts in with the scare tactics from Chernobyl or Fukashima? I mean, it's reasonably clean, cheap and provides a whole hell of a lot more power than all other sources. So, before you start screaming for more nuclear power, please get the environmental crowd in order first.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Oh, and on that nuclear thing, @MurphyVol

Why is it each and every time someone starts talking about a new nuclear plant, the enviro-nazi crowd starts in with the scare tactics from Chernobyl or Fukashima? I mean, it's reasonably clean, cheap and provides a whole hell of a lot more power than all other sources. So, before you start screaming for more nuclear power, please get the environmental crowd in order first.
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I couldn't tell you about that, I'm a hardcore conservative and I recognize that our stockpiles of uranium could turn us into the Saudia Arabia of nuclear power. We have enough to fuel the new mini reactors and sell the excess to other nations.

I can't speak for the enviro crowd, they're morons.

Also, here's a cut and paste from the article you linked

Why we should reduce livestock emissions
In Australia, direct livestock emissions account for about 70% of greenhouse gas emissions by the agricultural sector and 11% of total national greenhouse gas emissions. This makes Australia’s livestock the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions after the energy and transport sectors. Livestock are the dominant source of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide
 
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MurphyVol said:
I think you know the answer but I'll answer this and then I'll let you have the last word that I can tell they you so desperately need.

#1im selfish just like everyone in this board that's plugged into a grid

#2 the actions of one man, or 1,000 people or even a whole city are negligible. As I stated before the whole transportation sector was shut down and emissions barely dropped. Impact is made at the global government level, but you already knew that.

Have a good day and enjoy your rebuttal that turns the focus back to me.
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I admire the honesty of anyone audacious enough to admit acting incongruous with their worries and concerns. Especially when the science is so iron clad. The admonition to think globally and act locally should be an incontrovertible precept. If those who are most sincere about our plight are too selfish to follow this oath, how can those of us who aren't concerned be expected to?

Posting warnings on a message board is easy. Changing our selfish, sinful ways is far more challenging.
 
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MurphyVol said:
Also, here's a cut and paste from the article you linked

Why we should reduce livestock emissions
In Australia, direct livestock emissions account for about 70% of greenhouse gas emissions by the agricultural sector and 11% of total national greenhouse gas emissions. This makes Australia’s livestock the third largest source of greenhouse gas emissions after the energy and transport sectors. Livestock are the dominant source of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide
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"Third largest" meaning it's not the number one like you stated in your original post.

I mean, I'm posting facts here. You're slinging crap.

You want to know what else will help the climate before you go removing cows from the equation? Recycling the hell out of everything. Now, explain to me why we as Americans cannot (or will not) recycle the living **** out of #1-7 plastics? Or the cardboard Amazon boxes you probably regularly throw out? (which emits methane, by the way) Or any number of metals, computer boards, ABS plastics and anything other than organic materials?

You see, we, as a country, don't recycle quite as much as we should. Furthermore, we send a whole metric ****-ton (like actual metric tons) of our plastics overseas where it's recycled. Why is that not an organic industry here that's working overtime?

Furthermore, why do we limit the types of plastic at most recycle centers? In my local single stream recycle area, I'm limited to #1 and 2 plastics, paper, cardboard, steel and aluminum cans. Oh, and no shredded paper, no #5 polypropylene (which is a VERY common plastic found in our society), no plastic shopping bags, no oversize items, no ABS plastics, no #6 Styrofoam (again, extremely common) no appliances regardless of size.

You want to make an environmental impact? Start recycling like Germany does. I actually limited myself to a single plastic shopping bag of garbage per week. Everything else was put into the yellow recycle bags (including potato chip bags) or into the paper bin (which included all forms of paper, they just shredded it regardless if it was paper, carboard or paperboard) and removed every week.

Ask yourself why we:

1) export a lot of our recycling
2) don't encourage recycling more at the local level (it can make a whole lot of money)
3) Don't focus on things that can be achieved easily like recycling instead of focusing on cow farts like your girl AOC.
 
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Grand Vol said:
"Third largest" *In Australia* meaning it's not the number one like you stated in your original post.

I mean, I'm posting facts here. You're slinging crap.

You want to know what else will help the climate before you go removing cows from the equation? Recycling the hell out of everything. Now, explain to me why we as Americans cannot (or will not) recycle the living **** out of #1-7 plastics? Or the cardboard Amazon boxes you probably regularly throw out? (which emits methane, by the way) Or any number of metals, computer boards, ABS plastics and anything other than organic materials?

You see, we, as a country, don't recycle quite as much as we should. Furthermore, we send a whole metric ****-ton (like actual metric tons) of our plastics overseas where it's recycled. Why is that not an organic industry here that's working overtime?

Furthermore, why do we limit the types of plastic at most recycle centers? In my local single stream recycle area, I'm limited to #1 and 2 plastics, paper, cardboard, steel and aluminum cans. Oh, and no shredded paper, no #5 polypropylene (which is a VERY common plastic found in our society), no plastic shopping bags, no oversize items, no ABS plastics, no #6 Styrofoam (again, extremely common) no appliances regardless of size.

You want to make an environmental impact? Start recycling like Germany does. I actually limited myself to a single plastic shopping bag of garbage per week. Everything else was put into the yellow recycle bags (including potato chip bags) or into the paper bin (which included all forms of paper, they just shredded it regardless if it was paper, carboard or paperboard) and removed every week.

Ask yourself why we:

1) export a lot of our recycling
2) don't encourage recycling more at the local level (it can make a whole lot of money)
3) Don't focus on things that can be achieved easily like recycling instead of focusing on cow farts like your girl AOC.
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I can't link it, but I heard a report that several states reported that many of their largest polluters were recycling centers. Now, I believe they said the biggest culprits were aluminum recycling centers, but don't hold me to that.

Think about this- are you better to eat off paper plates or to pump 7 gallons of hot soapy water into the ground? I don't have an answer. But I agree something needs to change.

I read about work with microbes that eat plastic that sounds promising.

Unfortunately recycling isn't nearly as efficient as you and I (and your girl AOC) would like for it to be. I do hope it improves.

And I do agree with your article that methane from cows is a huge issue
 
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